Miracle Of The Sun & Other Musings

You're not a well man and Phat's worse for not just deleting the evidence of your embarrassment.

Most saw nothing. Those that claimed to see something differed on what they saw from the sun falling to it zig zagging about the sky. All were preprogrammed to see it, all had been looking into the sky for hours, all were religious people needing the miracle.On top of that we know for certain that the sun did not move or change. We know this because billions of people are under the same sun but it was only some religious people looking for a miracle in a certain place that 'saw' something. Hysteria and Pareidolia.

Read what I said again and explain why it was only SOME of the people in the crowd that saw what is claimed.Why it was that those that saw something saw different things and explain why no one else in the world saw the sun move even though there is only one sun and billions of potential observers.

Please do your preaching and grovelling in your church, this is not the place for it.

You're four years lateEvC Forum: Gears found in NatureWhat has a grasshopper's legs got to do with miracles of the sun?

Where's the philosophy? He's just doing a pointless and prolonged religious spam and you're allowing him the space.

Human suggestibility combined with the need to believe, explains every instance of faces in toast. Surely, surely, you can't believe god sends messages in biscuits and tea leaves? Surely?

Anyone with a brain and the capacity to use it.

Wow indeed

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The Catholic Church claims there are many incorruptible bodies and that they are divine signs of the holiness of the persons whose bodies they used to be. Perhaps, but they are more likely signs of careful or lucky burial, combined with ignorance regarding the factors that affect rate of decay.

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Some alleged cases of incorruptibility border on the piously fraudulent. For example, a television program showed a corpse in a case of a very lifelike woman the narrator said was the preserved body of St. Teresa of Avila who died in 1582. The corpse was actually that of St. Bernadette Soubirous, who died in 1879.

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A photo of her corpse can be seen on the cover of a book called The Incorruptibles, which claims the body has been "preserved intact since 1879 without embalming or other artificial means." Actually, the face and hands that look so real in the photo are made out of wax. The wax was added because the face was "emaciated" when the body was first exhumed (Nickell 1993: 92). Perhaps St. Bernadette's corpse should be moved to Madame Tussauds.

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incorruptible body - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.comEdited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Like all your posts, this is simply wrong. The Turin shroud is a 13th century fraud proven by carbon dating 30 years ago.Additionally, a forensic scientist examination in 2018 showed that the image on the cloth was inconsistent with a laid out corpse

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An investigation into the arm and body position required to obtain the blood pattern visible in the image of the Shroud of Turin was performed using a living volunteer. The two short rivulets on the back of the left hand of the Shroud are only consistent with a standing subject with arms at a ca 45 angle. This angle is different from that necessary for the forearm stains, which require nearly vertical arms for a standing subject. The BPA of blood visible on the frontal side of the chest (the lance wound) shows that the Shroud represents the bleeding in a realistic manner for a standing position while the stains at the backof a supposed postmortem bleeding from the same wound for a supine corpseare totally unrealistic. Simulation of bleeding from the nail wounds contacting wood surfaces yielded unclear results.

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Just a moment...(link still works)

Primitive Catholics like 'WhoeverI'mCallingMyselfToday" have always been really into the sadism of their belief. They wallow in the blood sacrifice and torture. All their churches have images of Christ being tortured to death on their walls.In the Stations of the Cross, you're supposed to kneel down under 14 of these images and imagine his suffering. Not that there's much to imagine, you have the gory image in front of you and you've been drilled in the intricate details of the process of crucifixion stage by stage. It's X-rated stuff taught to terrified children. Nothing short of child abuse. It's literally medieval.To complete the insanity you get a plenary indulgence for doing this. This means that if you get hit by a bus when leaving the church you go straight to heaven, do not pass go, do not spend any time in purgatory.You couldn't make this shit up could you?

Yeh, far better idea to stick with the sado-masachism. The bunch of paedophilic psychopaths that run the multi-billion dollar, global corporation haven't yet found that sinful.

Oh it does when the entire institution organised a global cover up of its offences and carries on doing it. Then pays its way out of the mess to the tune of 3bn and counting. You need to nail a statement on the door of the Vatican telling them to vacate the premises with 24 hours notice, sell the assets, give the proceeds to the poor, convict the corrupt arseholes that run the joint, give up the sado-masochism bullshit and follow Jesus's actual message.

So now we have fingers in ears, public prayer piety and Phat cheers the loon for his efforts.Well done you two, by acting like fundamentalist crackpots you and your like are causing the death of religion in our societies. Keep it up.

Meanwhile, back in reality here on earth, Pope Francis is systematically hiding $2bn of assets across the USA in an attempt to restrict the amount of damages it has to pay to it's thousands of child rape victims.Lawyers and accountants are creating trusts, locking assets, marking-down down values (Often to zero) and moving accounts and finaces out of diocese. All very corporate America - institutional fraud following abuse.

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Catholic Church Shields $2 Billion in Assets to Limit Abuse Payouts

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Dioceses are aggressively moving and reclassifying holdings to shrink the value of their bankruptcy estates.

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