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truthlover
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Message 12 of 149 (88080)
02-23-2004 5:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
02-16-2004 4:23 AM


Notice how it does not say through belief in Christ?
I don't see that having faith in something and believing in something are different. There's certainly no difference in the original Greek in the verse you're quoting. Faith or belief is totally up to the translator. In the KJV, the noun pistis is translated faith and the verb pisteo is translated believe. No difference.
If you want to differentiate the terms, you can specify what you mean by each of them, and I'll use your definitions in understanding what you are saying to me. When you tell me that a verse in the Bible differentiates the terms, it's just not true. The Greeks have pistis only. When it's a verb, then there's peitho, which is sometimes tranlated obey and sometimes believe, and pisteo, always believe, but as a noun, there's just pistis. Only English speakers can differentiate faith and belief, you can't put that in the Bible.

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truthlover
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Message 13 of 149 (88085)
02-23-2004 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Cold Foreign Object
02-22-2004 5:18 PM


The epistle of James was written to directly contradict Pauline theology. James cannot be reconciled with Paul despite the continuous attempts by the Church, its Pastors, and theologians.
If you'd care to discuss this, I started a new thread on it called Do Paul and James Really Contradict on Faith and Works.

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