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ringo
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Message 212 of 230 (880768)
08-11-2020 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Juvenissun
08-11-2020 9:38 AM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Juvenissun writes:

Critical thinking is limited by logic.


I think it depends more on evidence. Logic is just a sieve that we run the evidence through.

Juvenissun writes:

There ARE truth beyond logic.


The problem with that idea is that the people who believe in "truth beyond logic" can't agree on what that truth is.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 216 of 230 (880820)
08-11-2020 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Juvenissun
08-11-2020 8:33 PM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Juvenissun writes:

Scientists rarely agree on new things or new feature.


That's a good sign. They test a lot of possibilities before drawing conclusions. Believers in ultimate "truth" do not.

And there's more good news: scientists eventually come to a consensus. Believers just cling to their own versions of "the truth".


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 220 of 230 (880841)
08-12-2020 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Juvenissun
08-12-2020 8:12 AM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Juvenissun writes:

ringo writes:

... the people who believe in "truth beyond logic" can't agree on what that truth is.


Yes, they do can

They sure as hell do NOT. Christians don't believe in the same "truth" as Buddhists. Catholics don't even believe the same "truth" as Protestants and fundamentalists don't believe the same "truth" as Anglicans.

Juvenissun writes:

Do you know what it is? Of course you do.


Tell us.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 223 of 230 (880885)
08-13-2020 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Phat
08-12-2020 3:03 PM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Phat writes:

Literal Bibles, talking snakes, and karmic dualistic and/or humanistic concepts are irrelevant in light of the messenger.


And the messenger is irrelevant in light of the message. You know that. You don't throw your mail away and keep the envelopes.

Phat writes:

The question is whether we can do it without any help from God.


The answer is yes.

Your perverted idea of God is a stumbling-block.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 224 of 230 (880887)
08-13-2020 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Juvenissun
08-12-2020 8:08 PM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Juvenissun writes:

All religious people believe in one thing: God exists.


They believe in many different gods. There is certainly not a universal truth.

Juvenissun writes:

Plus another one: There is life after this life.


Again, there are many different views of the afterlife.

You might as well claim that the best flavor of ice cream is a universal truth, even though everybody has a different favorite.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 227 of 230 (880894)
08-13-2020 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Phat
08-13-2020 12:39 PM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Phat writes:

How is my idea of God in any way perverted?


For one thing, you make Him out to be exclusive, which is a direct contradiction of how Jesus described Him.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 228 of 230 (880895)
08-13-2020 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Juvenissun
08-13-2020 12:40 PM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Juvenissun writes:

One thing I don't like your style of argument is that you do not acknowledge trivial fact...


I do not acknowledge what you claim is fact when it isn't fact.

Juvenissun writes:

... and is still trying to argue by shifting goalpost.


If you missed the goal, it isn't because the posts moved.

Juvenissun writes:

I said all believers accept God.


Which is false.

Juvenissun writes:

Accept that, regardless it may mean this God or that God.


If you mean "some random concept of gods", say so. That does not qualify as "truth beyond logic".

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 230 of 230 (880899)
08-13-2020 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Juvenissun
08-13-2020 1:01 PM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Juvenissun writes:

You are beyond logic debate by not respecting literal words.


The problem is that your use of words is not literal enough.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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