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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Since when has there ever been ANY absolute truth? John 14:6-7 writes: Thats about as absolute as it gets. Feel free to dismiss the redactors, but they had no ulterior motive. They were in my opinion divinely inspired to report the absolute truth. 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.""A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar writes:
Since when has there ever been ANY absolute truth?John 14:6-7 writes: Thats about as absolute as it gets. Feel free to dismiss the redactors, but they had no ulterior motive. They were in my opinion divinely inspired to report the absolute truth. 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." But the quote you and so many Apologists love to take out of context and throw around actually says NOTHING. It is not some absolute or even some truth. What truth is involved? Why is the statement in direct contradiction of so many other statements alleged to have been made by Jesus? The issue is that you and the Apologists love to claim that the Bible is some whole yet also love to take pieces parts out of it and try to make them stand alone. You guys love always having it two or more ways as long as the pieces parts you pull out of context support the position you happen to be marketing at that moment. If the authors and editors and redactors were divinely inspired to report the absolute truth why are there so many outright falsehoods, fantasies and contradictions in the report? Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: If Jesus were simply human, no truth is involved. But note what Jesus said to Pilate:
What truth is involved?John 18:28-39 writes: See, you kinda get the message and you kinda dont. You have claimed before that Jesus was a failed Messiah. You have said that Christianity is about what we do. What we are charged to do, among other things, is to know the truth. Do you disagree with this? Hint: You wont find the truth in a secular class taught by Socratic Masters urging you to study human history and comparative religions and forming a consensus of beliefs which seem logical.
28 Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. 29 So Pilate came out to them and asked, "What charges are you bringing against this man?" 30 "If he were not a criminal," they replied, "we would not have handed him over to you." 31 Pilate said, "Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law." "But we have no right to execute anyone," the Jews objected. 32 This happened so that the words Jesus had spoken indicating the kind of death he was going to die would be fulfilled. 33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" 34 "Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did others talk to you about me?" 35 "Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" 36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." 37 "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." 38 "What is truth?" Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?"Prov 14:12-16 writes: 12 There is a way that seems right to a man,but in the end it leads to death. 13 Even in laughter the heart may ache,and joy may end in grief. 14 The faithless will be fully repaid for their ways,and the good man rewarded for his. 15 A simple man believes anything,but a prudent man gives thought to his steps. 16 A wise man fears the LORD and shuns evil,but a fool is hotheaded and reckless. The apologists teach that Jesus is the only way. Not Allah. Not the spaghetti monster. and certainly not Loki. You mention that you essentially follow logic, reason, and reality. To that list you need to add truth. Truth is a person. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Because we see what we want to see to support our position. You do the same thing, which is why you love Matthew 24. If the authors and editors and redactors were divinely inspired to report the absolute truth why are there so many outright falsehoods, fantasies and contradictions in the report?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Two replies and still you present no evidence or reasoned arguments or address the issues I raise.
AbE: Phat, this really is an important issue. You and the Apologists claim that the Bible is divinely inspired and that what is written shows Absolute Truth. BUT, the reality is as has been pointed out to you many times that the Bible contains errors, contradictions, evidence of evolving mythos and revisionism. Neither you or ANY Apologists ever address that issue. Many of us though point out that what is actually written is evidence of human creation rather than divine inspiration and that assertion explains why there are errors, contradictions, evidence of evolving mythos and revisionism. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The apologists ARE Loki. The apologists teach that Jesus is the only way. Not Allah. Not the spaghetti monster. and certainly not Loki."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Perhaps we dont accept the premises because we certainly dont accept your conclusions. Phat, this really is an important issue. You and the Apologists claim that the Bible is divinely inspired and that what is written shows Absolute Truth. BUT, the reality is as has been pointed out to you many times that the Bible contains errors, contradictions, evidence of evolving mythos and revisionism. Neither you or ANY Apologists ever address that issue. Many of us though point out that what is actually written is evidence of human creation rather than divine inspiration and that assertion explains why there are errors, contradictions, evidence of evolving mythos and revisionism. You need to ask yourselves why it is so important for you to push the concept and belief of God back into an unknown (forever unknown) corner. Why it is useful for you to "prove" that Jesus (as marketed) never existed. How it does not really matter anyway since humans are our own belief within ourselves. How a brilliant man of studies, using only physics and numbers, can hypothesize a universe that arose out of nothing. You always value CONTENT over SOURCE, but in this case you need to be honest about the SOURCE you are marketing and the SOURCE that you are attempting to discredit. WHY are you driven to do this? It certainly is not in the name of TRUTH. You rejected truth a long time ago."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sheesh Phat.
You have absolutely no idea of what truth is and have decided that you will simply ignore truth whenever it makes you feel uncomfortable. You have decided to accept lies rather than truth and fantasy rather than reality. You and the Apologists claim that the Bible is divinely inspired and that what is written shows Absolute Truth. BUT, the reality is, as has been pointed out to you many times, that the Bible contains errors, contradictions, evidence of evolving mythos and revisionism. Neither you or ANY Apologists ever address that issue. Many of us though point out that what is actually written is evidence of human creation rather than divine inspiration and that assertion explains why there are errors, contradictions, evidence of evolving mythos and revisionism. If you want to dispute that conclusion then you will have to present either evidence or reasoned argument to support your position. Good luck.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
jaw meet floor BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.: Audio
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined:
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WHAT IS PRAYER?
For me, prayer is a surge of the heart;it is a simple look turned toward heaven, it is a cry of recognition and of love, embracing both trial and joy.1-st therese of lisieux Prayer as God's gift 2559 "Prayer is the raising of one's mind and heart to God or the requesting of good things from God."2But when we pray, do we speak from the height of our pride and will, or "out of the depths" of a humble and contrite heart?3 He who humbles himself will be exalted;4 humility is the foundation of prayer, Only when we humbly acknowledge that "we do not know how to pray as we ought,"5 are we ready to receive freely the gift of prayer. "Man is a beggar before God."6 -st augustine Edited by proudly roman catholic, : attribute
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Please do your preaching and grovelling in your church, this is not the place for it.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Any significant surge of the heart could require a cardiologist’s attention, prc. Be careful.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined:
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Romans 8:26, NIV: "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans." ... For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words."
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined:
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why would god use a sinner like donald trump? oh wait
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an insect with literal working gears
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