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jar
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Message 16 of 138 (879960)
07-26-2020 4:28 PM


Above you said you would support more police and more suppression.
And that would require you to pay higher taxes.
But what would you get for those taxes?
Well more folk in prison which would require more taxes from you.
And other than that?

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nwr
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Message 17 of 138 (879961)
07-26-2020 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
07-26-2020 10:05 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
Don't steal. And yet these social welfare misfits seem to think its their entitlement.
You seem to be bothered by small scale petty theft, while you ignore the 2 trillion dollar heist which was the 2017 tax cuts. And you ignore all the ways that Trump and his cabinet are stuffing their bank accounts.

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Phat
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Message 18 of 138 (879990)
07-27-2020 1:00 PM
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07-26-2020 5:17 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
All I know is that the $600.00 a week unemployment that recently ended was paying people more money than I make---after 15 years at the same job. I get mad when people expect something for nothing and steal on top of all that. I see it everyday...people stuffing duffel bags FULL of merchandise and waltzing out the door. Granted some of them need to steal, but the ones I get mad at make it a livelihood. They literally come steal on the last day of the month so they can "pay" rent.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
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Message 19 of 138 (879991)
07-27-2020 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
07-27-2020 1:00 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
Phat goes on:
was paying people more money than I make---after 15 years at the same job...
why are you getting mad at them? you should be livid at your bosses and company above you. there's your beef. your union is failing you.
the ones I get mad at make it a livelihood
i am thinking more & more that you are the asshole here, sad to say. i don't know if i would hire you. i don't know if you are smart enough. 15 years? did you ever stop to wonder why?

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Message 20 of 138 (879993)
07-27-2020 1:30 PM


A neighbour of mine here in the UK has joint UK & US citizenship (born New York, lived here for 50 years). She received a cheque for $1,200 this month from you guys because she earns less than whatever value has been set. She earns quite a bit here actually.
She got a letter a week later from Trump saying that he sent it.
I don't think it's changed her mind about what she thinks of him. In fact, she'd use it as a downpayment on a hitman if she knew how.

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Phat
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Message 21 of 138 (881133)
08-18-2020 2:32 PM


The Great Reckoning
I was at the Doctors office this morning and picked up an old Time Magazine dated May 18th, 2020. The Title on the cover was The Great Reckoning--More Americans are unemployed than at any time since the Depression. So I brought the magazine home and find myself obsessed with all of these stories that mention long overdue social change...which I will comment on here as I read them.
We truly are venturing farther in to this Great Depression that no one talks about, even though everyone talks about it on some level as to how it has impacted them personally. Of course, many of the Biblical Christians I know are proclaiming the End Times, though I am more measured and optimistic (believe it or not) in that I feel that God wants us all to learn to get along and love each other before He would hypothetically accept us en mass into a new era in a new place. And for the secular humanists out there, the earth is all we have and future consensus surely must involve humanities unified agreement on that issue rather than on what they would call a hypothetical Heaven.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 22 of 138 (881137)
08-18-2020 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
07-26-2020 10:02 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
LOL
Stop believing in the idiots you follow. It really is that simple.
Everything Phat says is idiotic to you, to the point where you feel the need to publicly belittle and humiliate him. Its more than obvious. I've been quietly watching it for years. The question is, why? He's been very cordial to you over the years but you perpetually brow-beat him and berate him. Like a disapproving father... nothing is ever good enough. Tsk, tsk, tsk... sad.
No problem gets solved by using violent suppression. Even World War II was finally solved by negotiation and by addressing the needs of the people for food, clothing, shelter, dignity.
Explain.
Adding more police will never address any of the causes for shoplifting.
That's right, cuz the root cause of shoplifting is shitty ethics... don't feed me some bullshit about "hunger" or "inequality." This is America. Nobody goes hungry. 1/3 of the entire population is on some form of government assistance. If you took a tally of all the things stolen, the majority would be cosmetics, video games, beer, etc not diapers and baby formula. I know, its so heart-warming to think shoplifters are doing it to survive, but they do it because they think they can get away with it and don't give a shit about other people. It opportunism, Jar. Or do you really think looters are out there stealing powdered milk for their children?
Until we stop the really stupid Law & Order Crap all we will do is make life worse.
Then if less is necessarily better then get rid of police altogether. Everything will just kind of fall in place. Just because CHOP/CHAZ immediately devolved into Mogadishu doesn't mean it would happen everywhere. Lets experiment and see which society flourishes and which society devolves into tribal warfare run by the single ethic of 'might = right.'

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 23 of 138 (881138)
08-18-2020 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2020 3:16 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
Hyroglyphx writes:
jar writes:
Adding more police will never address any of the causes for shoplifting.
That's right, cuz the root cause of shoplifting is shitty ethics... don't feed me some bullshit about "hunger" or "inequality." This is America. Nobody goes hungry. 1/3 of the entire population is on some form of government assistance. If you took a tally of all the things stolen, the majority would be cosmetics, video games, beer, etc not diapers and baby formula. I know, its so heart-warming to think shoplifters are doing it to survive, but they do it because they think they can get away with it and don't give a shit about other people. It opportunism, Jar. Or do you really think looters are out there stealing powdered milk for their children?
You are welcome to hold any opinion regardless of how utterly stupid and false it might be.
Hyroglyphx writes:
jar writes:
Until we stop the really stupid Law & Order Crap all we will do is make life worse.
Then if less is necessarily better then get rid of police altogether. Everything will just kind of fall in place. Just because CHOP/CHAZ immediately devolved into Mogadishu doesn't mean it would happen everywhere. Lets experiment and see which society flourishes and which society devolves into tribal warfare run by the single ethic of 'might = right.'
See above.
But getting rid of the Law & Order crap does not mean that police may not have some value. The Law & Order crap is truly stupid stuff like the war on drugs and militarization of police and failure to fund and address root causes and expecting police to function as social workers and forgetting that the police goal is actually to Serve & Protect.
But as I said, you are free to remain as willfully stupid as you wish.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 24 of 138 (881144)
08-18-2020 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
08-18-2020 3:30 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
You are welcome to hold any opinion regardless of how utterly stupid and false it might be.
Jar, it's not hard to pull up every reply you've ever made to Phat, and usually only Phat in the absence of Faith, but it's more than an opinion. What do you have against the guy? He's a pretty nice guy, I don't understand why you are so hard on him.
But getting rid of the Law & Order crap does not mean that police may not have some value. The Law & Order crap is truly stupid stuff like the war on drugs and militarization of police and failure to fund and address root causes and expecting police to function as social workers and forgetting that the police goal is actually to Serve & Protect.
I doubt that is what you meant since Phat specifically referenced shoplifting... That's hardly relatable to anything you outline, but for the sake of a good argument lets tackle it. The War on Drugs is a failure that I won't dispute. Legalize drugs and it will bleed cartels dry. The militarization was in wake of the LA bank robbery where two men were able to kill and critically injure hundreds of officers because they were out-gunned. The reality is that Bear Cats and M4's make sense for police officers to have. I think the whole 'militarization' is really overblown. Tanks? Landmines? Claymores? Bazookas? Okay, a bridge too far.
But as I said, you are free to remain as willfully stupid as you wish.
You know it turns me on when you talk dirty to me

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Phat
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Message 25 of 138 (881146)
08-18-2020 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
08-18-2020 3:30 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
Now here you go calling Hyroglyphix stupid! Perhaps that is how you were taught to argue on that porch long ago....I've no clue.
One of the root causes that I see of shoplifting is this sense of entitlement that all people now seem to have. Everybody wants the good life, yet not everyone can have it...for a variety of reasons.
What angers me is that they cheat in order to achieve the social and financial level that I worked to get. They are not playing the game fairly. Ringo may argue that socialism would solve this problem, but i'm less optimistic about basic human nature.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Phat
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Message 26 of 138 (881147)
08-18-2020 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2020 4:02 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
Jar, it's not hard to pull up every reply you've ever made to Phat, and usually only Phat in the absence of Faith, but it's more than an opinion. What do you have against the guy? He's a pretty nice guy, I don't understand why you are so hard on him.
Personally I think he feels that by goading me its a form of slapping me with the verbal glove and challenging me to think rather than explode back at him in anger. Of course it could be entirely possible that he does not like me in regards to my world view. No matter...jar is like the eccentric Uncle that the family visits for a good conversation yet does not particularly feel warm and accepted at his Texas Manor.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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DrJones*
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Message 27 of 138 (881149)
08-18-2020 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2020 4:02 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
The militarization was in wake of the LA bank robbery where two men were able to kill and critically injure hundreds of officers because they were out-gunned.
dude the only people who died in the north hollywood shootout were the robbers. And instead of "hundreds" of injured personal it was really 12 officers and 8 civilians.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 28 of 138 (881151)
08-18-2020 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Phat
08-18-2020 4:05 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
What angers me is that they cheat in order to achieve the social and financial level that I worked to get. They are not playing the game fairly. Ringo may argue that socialism would solve this problem, but i'm less optimistic about basic human nature.
Its a farce. If socialism worked the way people like Ringo thinks it works, it would be flat out communism. And if its communism then be prepared for a North Korea. History doesn't have a single example of anything besides that repressive system. People love to cite Sweden or Norway as examples of socialism, but the reality is that they are far more capitalistic than they are collectivists. Volvo and Ikea make money because they operate on a capitalist system. If you think socialists all make the same amount of money, I would to sell you some beach front property in New Mexico

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jar
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Message 29 of 138 (881152)
08-18-2020 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2020 4:02 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
Hyroglyphx writes:
What do you have against the guy?
It's because I actually think Phat has the potential to learn how to think critically.
Hyroglyphx writes:
The militarization was in wake of the LA bank robbery where two men were able to kill and critically injure hundreds of officers because they were out-gunned. The reality is that Bear Cats and M4's make sense for police officers to have. I think the whole 'militarization' is really overblown. Tanks? Landmines? Claymores? Bazookas? Okay, a bridge too far.
Nonsense. The LA Bank Robbery might be justification for have a hunting rifle in the trunk but that's far from what happened. The FBI shootout might also justify police having and wearing some body armor but that too is far from what happened.
The Militarization was simply another way to move money from Public Coffers into private pockets.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 30 of 138 (881205)
08-19-2020 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by DrJones*
08-18-2020 4:42 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
dude the only people who died in the north hollywood shootout were the robbers. And instead of "hundreds" of injured personal it was really 12 officers and 8 civilians.
Since that time, I should say... It was a watershed moment where everything has changed when it comes to how police do things. I suppose one could argue that the Miami FBI shooting in 1986 was more or as much of a watershed moment, but definitely since the North Hollywood shootout have so many people been killed and maimed by being outgunned. It was the time when long guns were part of regular inventory whereas they had to stop at local gun stores just to get that equipment during that event.

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