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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
Reminds me of the Cold War. Did the Soviet system fail because of its own flaws or because its enemies spent untold billions of dollars in a concerted effort to make it fail? I think its high time that people of a liberal persuasion stop holding on to their egos and start admitting the failures of a failing system they helped create."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
That's not an answer. It's a knee-jerk reaction based on your personal pejudices, not based on any real analysis. Same as the "point" in the OP. A little of both but mostly because it was a lesson in futility... which is kind of my point, comrade."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyrglyphx writes:
I don't think there is any depth. I think you're making a fundamental mistake: assuming a cause and effect relationship that isn't necessarily there. Why don’t you go line item by line item, Ringo? That way we can tackle it in depth each personal prejudice of mine. You think D is failing because of defects in D. I say maybe D is failing (IF D is failing) because it is being deliberately sabotaged by R. And I don't "drive by". I do donuts on your lawn day after day after day after day after day after day.... "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
Crows are "free" to make a lot of noise and we either ignore them or shoot them. The constant and insistent harangue that minorities are systematically oppressed is itself the strongest indication that its total bullshit."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
I'll say the same thing to you - reply to what I said. Your typical attempt at one-liner profundity fails again... Debate honestly or don't bother replying."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hroglyphx writes:
I did. I pointed out that the right to protest does not mean that everything is okay.
Rebut anything I said in this thread. Hyroglyphx writes:
It was a heavy-handed metaphor. Phat got it.
So far your message is about squawking crows. Hyroglyphx writes:
I'll be the judge of that.
It failed again. Hyroglyphx writes:
I'll say the same thing to you - reply to what I said. Either debate honestly or don't bother responding."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
What you said was obviously false and I gave an example that demonstrated that it was false. You're basically saying, "nuh-uh," and pretending that's a counter-argument. You said, "As it relates to the current topic, if the Left's dystopian view of the US was so apparent then it would not be living a society that allows it to openly be this critical. The constant and insistent harangue that minorities are systematically oppressed is itself the strongest indication that its total bullshit." Message 16 I pointed out that the mere ability to protest does not indicate "free speech" if the protests are ignored (systematically for hundreds of years). So go ahead and back up what you said.
Hyroglyphx writes:
When you back up the first item, we can move on. Have the integrity to go line item by line item...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
In terms of ACTION, it is most definitely ignored. Black men are still being shot and police are walking away scot-free. It isn't the amount of noise that matters. It's the REACTION to the noise that matters. I pointed that out in my first post and you still have not addressed it. Now that we can definitively say that not only is it not ignored...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
I didn't suggest any such thing. I pointed out that the ability to protest does not make the problem go away.
... what evidence is there to assume that white officers are literally killing people just because they're black.... Hyroglyphx writes:
I haven't said anything about what's good for the black community - except to suggest that the teeny-tiny, itsy-bitsy minority of unjustified shootings are still a bad thing. You're being led down a path of total bullshit that is absolutely destructive not only to society as a whole, but is creating incalculable damage to the black community."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
Nothing I wrote looks like that. The phrase "necessarily racist" is yours, not mine. ... for a minute there it looks as if you said nothing is being done about black men being murdered in the streets by white police officers that are NECESSARILY racist...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Then you should know that I'm not a Marxist.
I DID look into Marxism. "Marx's critical theories about society, economics and politics, collectively understood as Marxism, hold that human societies develop through class conflict."
You're the one who's worried about class conflict, not me.
Phat writes:
You can stop arguing about Marx. You can forget about Marx. Marx has nothing to do with me.
I will argue, as does Hyro.... I further argue that Marx.... Phat writes:
No. I also am firmly opposed to the idea that Socialism is on the path towards Communism. Do you think that it is? No more than coffee is on the path towards heroin."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You know the drill: bring the arguments here, in your own words. Two Documentaries which I watched...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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