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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
According to Wikipedia:
Could you give me your definition of time so we can get on the same page as I think I am talking about one thing and you are talking about a totally different thing, or entity.quote:Note the word "irreversible". You can't give and take time like you can give and take apples. You can't give away all of tour time and have no time left like you can give away all of your apples and have no apples left. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The point is that they're on the same plane as the Bible.
There are only a couple of those books that talk about the one God. ICANT writes:
I don't care what contortions you go through to try to explain away the errors. You asked for errors and I gave you errors. Water existed eternally before Genesis 1:2... blah, blah, blah...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
It says that time is the PROGRESS of existence. According to that definition time and existence are the same thing."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I showed you where the science errors are. That's what we were talking about. Your nit-picking erroneous interpretation of the words is a different topic. Show me where anything else was created."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The definition disagrees with you. Existence has no progress and can not be measured. Edited by ringo, : Spilling."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
It doesn't say that.
There was light before water in Genesis 1:1. ICANT writes:
It doesn't say that.
There was sun and moon in Genesis 1:1. ICANT writes:
It doesn't say anything about generations. How can you have generations in one day?
In the generations of the day God created the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1:1. ICANT writes:
It doesn't say that.
The plants was after the sun and moon. ICANT writes:
I don't believe any such thing but that's what the Bible says.
You believe everything was created in chapter 1:2-31. ICANT writes:
It doesn't say that.
Everything except a great fish Gen. 1:21, and mankind in the image and likeness of God Gen. 1:27 was created in Genesis 1:1... ICANT writes:
There are no generations in a single day.
... and the generations of that day lays out how. ICANT writes:
As I said, I don't believe a word of it - but it says what it says. I can't help it if you are like a lot of people I know. Their attitude is they know what they believe and don't want to be bothered with the facts."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You only asked for one. The other ones that you cited pretty much agree with the one I cited and disagree with you.
As you see you can find any and all kinds of definitions of time. ICANT writes:
It says there was no concept of time:
5. University of Helsinki Before the Big Bang, there was no space or time.quote:Some religions have no concept of hell but that has no bearing on the existence of hell. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
That isn't true. People had a concept of time long before Genesis was written. The concept of time did not actually exist until after Genesis 1:1 was written..."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Well, you weren't there in Genesis 1. I have never seen an evening that did not close a light period. If there was a "first day", then it had to start with either an evening or a morning. In case you haven't heard, the Jewish day always starts at sundown, so the first day COULD NOT close a light period.
ICANT writes:
I said they were not there on Day One.
Are you saying the sun and moon are not part of the universe? ICANT writes:
Nope. The Bible says explicitly that they were not created until Day Four.
If they are part of the universe they were created when the heavens and the earth was created in Genesis 1:1. ICANT writes:
There's no point in discussing Hebrew with you. You can't even read English. See above.
The Hebrew.... ICANT writes:
That's a silly question. I don't have to believe The Lord of the Rings is true to know what it says.
If you don't believe what it says why are you telling me what it says. ICANT writes:
It says God MADE two great lights.
So God did some work on two great lights. Notice they were not created, brought into existence. ICANT writes:
And you don't know either what it says or what it means. It says what it means, and means what it says."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Pretty much what it was 5000 years ago and 10000 years ago: days, months, years - the progress of events. What was that concept based upon 3800 years ago?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The writers were not there either - and there's no reason to think their source was accurate.
But the writer of Genesis was told what to write in a book. ICANT writes:
See, that's why I say you can't read English. Day One is by definition the first day.
First off there is no first day referred to in Genesis 1:5, only day one. ICANT writes:
Therefore there is a discrepancy. That's all we can say about it.
Genesis 1:1 tells us God created the heavens and the earth.Genesis 2:4 tells us the heavens and earth was created in one day. Therefore... ICANT writes:
Non sequitur. In Genesis One, the word "Day" is used for both the light part of the day and the whole day: "The evening and the morning were the nth day."
... God's definition of a day is light would mean that they were created in a light period. ICANT writes:
Twenty-four.
How many hours can you get between evening and morning.... ICANT writes:
Because it says explicitly that they were created on Day Four.
ringo writes:
And you know that because. I said they were not there on Day One. ICANT writes:
Still you. If you think you've made a point here, you'll have to make it plainer. I don't have to believe The Lord of the Rings is true to know what it says.
ringo writes:
Now who was that that could not understand English. I don't have to believe The Lord of the Rings is true to know what it says. ICANT writes:
I have been explaining it to you. For example: Day One is by definition the first day. ringo writes:
Since you are so smart why don't you explain it to me? And you don't know either what it says or what it means."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Bingo.
If so, there is no reason to think that God is even necessary. Phat writes:
Actually, it's more like: If He does exist, WE don't have the ability to receive communications from Him.
There is no reason to think that if He does exist He has the capability of communing with us. Phat writes:
On the contrary, I have checked the bath water very carefully for babies and there are none there. You, on the other hand, are so terrified of losing the baby that you're keeping the same filthy bath water forever. Don't you know that dirty water won't get you clean?
You have thrown the Holy Baby out with the bathwater... Phat writes:
Which is all we have.
... and placed all of your chips on human wisdom and our interpretation of evidence. Phat writes:
Shame on YOU for falsely accusing me of child abuse. Shame on you."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
It doesn't matter what you think - and there's no reason to think that that part of the story is accurate either.
I don't think they spent 80 days and nights without God telling him what He wanted wrote down in a book. ICANT writes:
The one we're talking about, the discrepancy between the usage of the word "day" in Genesis1 and Genesis 2.
What discrepancy? ICANT writes:
We'd have to decide on that when we made the appointment.
If you made an appointment to meet somebody at 12:00 tomorrow, when would you show up at noon or midnight? ICANT writes:
Nonsense. Evening and morning are not fixed times on the clock. The phrase refers to a 24-hour day.
Evening is at 6 PM Morning is 6 AM even in the Jewish day and you can pack no more than 12 hours into that. ICANT writes:
The word "made" exists in verse 16.
So why are you insistent that created does exist in those verses. ICANT writes:
The first day of creation.
ringo writes:
As I said the first day of what? Day One is by definition the first day. ICANT writes:
Which refer to the same thing. One and First are two differ words."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
First, a lot of that "information" is wrong.
Where did Moses get this information from to be able to write it down 2800 years ago? ICANT writes:
Yes they are.
Made is not creation, they are not the same. ICANT writes:
You know nothing about Biblical Hebrew. I'll stick with the translators. Maybe one and first are the same thing to you but in Biblical Hebrew they are two different things."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No, I don't see any connection at all. You'll have to be more specific.
Dont you see how your thought process mirrors my quote exactly? Phat writes:
We usually use the word "who" for humans. An entity so far above us would more appropriately be called a "what". The difference is that my what exists. I think and believe that a WHO created the universe and defines reality whereas you believe that a WHAT(Logic and evidence defined by humans) created all that is real and actual."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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