Free will vs Omniscience

You still refuse or are unable to understand even the basics.The God you and the Apologists market foreknowing CREATES people who will be damned regardless of what they do.And yes, Jesus says you need to stop thinking you are special or that you have any exclusivity.You are no more important than pond scum as far as God is concerned but by your behavior you can rise above that threshold. No Phat, it is a conclusion based on all of the evidence and I have gone over much of the evidence with you again and again just as so many others have gone over the evidence again and again.It is explicit in the fact that you have never been able to provide any evidence or reasoned argument in support of your position or any of the Apologist other than to claim it upends your aura of exclusivity and special-ness that your Born Again experience gave you.Edited by jar, : applin spallin

Then explain HOW it is false and tell us what "the truth" is.

And you never explain how that's bad thing. Jesus did it. He required his disciples to do it. He told the rich young ruler to do it. The Roman Church did it. What makes you exempt?

You're fond of talking about "human nature".Do you think it started yesterday?I don't. I think it started with the first humans, and though it has evolved over the millennia, it still boils down to survival of the individual versus survival of the species. We want both but we can't always have both.Jesus came to teach the Pharisees, et al. to think more of society and less of themselves. Do you think "human nature" has changed just because you call yourselves "Christians"?I don't think so. I think all of us, including you, need to learn the same lessons that Jesus tried to teach the Pharisees.Isn't it ironic that you claim to be "in communion" with Jesus and yet you deny His teachings.

I don't know if jar is speaking to you, so I'll give you one: Talking snake. It's just silly to think it was an actual talking snake.

What other kind of Deity do you want to market? One who does not know what jar will decide until jar decides it?Did God know which plant was wheat and which was tares?
Did God know which were sheep and which were goats? If not how could God separate them?What type of God do you imagine? One Who sees us as on the same level of pond scum and foot fungus? One Who is clueless about what will happen next on the timeline?Here is one apologetic explanation. Feel free to mock it.
If Jesus is God, why did He not know the hour of His return?Note that the scripture says that God knows the Day and the Hour. This would be considered as foreknowledge. So puny man (pond scum) get up and point a finger at God and tell Him He is evil. And see where that bit of human independence will get you.

Once again, you can offer no evidence or reasoned argument or even address the issue but instead try to palm the pea, con the rubes, misdirect attention; all the hallmarks of the Medicine man, carny hustler and Apologist.Address the issue Phat.The God you and the Apologists market foreknowingly CREATES people who will be damned regardless of what they do.

Your problem is that you judge the God that we market without ever asking God for the answer. You simply continue to question. And the God that you market is conveniently out of reach of your questions. Who palms the pea?

LOL That is so stupid Phat. I do not need to ask God about the God you and the Apologists create and market, I can and have asked you.And you never provide either evidence or reasoned argument to support the god you create and market. If the salesman can't sell the product it really can't have much value.

One of the silliest fables in the bible is the whole story of the Fall. If God didn’t want Adam or Eve to eat the Fruit Of the Tree Of Knowledge (FOTOK), why did he put the tree in the garden of eden? God created the heaven and the earth, so he supposedly knew where all the continents and lands were. So why didn’t he put the tree in Bangkok, or Brisbane, or Brooklyn? In fact, why have a tree at all? Maybe god had an irrepressible urge to put it in the garden of eden, i.e.., he actually had no free will to choose where he put the damned tree. Or maybe Adam and Eve had a good case for entrapment (but, unfortunately, god had not yet created lawyers). This is no trivial point, since all misery and evil proceeds from that trees placement!

Those who cry Lord, Lord, may or may not be believers.That is a True statement.I can see you like to argue. Please follow basic logic when you do that. Otherwise, it becomes a False prejudice.

On the exact opposite, what God does in that case is absolute essential to Christianity. Nothing in Christianity is more significant and important than that.God let Adam and Eve to make the choice. That is the whole point. They did not make that mistaken choice for a very very long time. And they will not make that mistake until they were tempted to do so. Every bit of details in this very very precise and critical descriptions are vitally important in Christianity.There will be no Christianity without that decision which appeared "silly" to you.

I assume you do not know what "damned" means. That makes your issue meaningless.If you mistakenly think damned people will "suffer", you are wrong. Many of them won't. So many of they are not damned (according to your definition, even you never said what that is).

I think jar is afraid of talking to me. I keep picking on him fatally.There ARE angelic beings described in the Bible. You may wonder how do those angels look like? Yes, one of them look like a snake at that particular time (it may look differently at other time, they are powerful beings). So it is not surprised at all that the angelic snake can talk.Sorry, this is not a science forum. Otherwise, I won't say the above. But, take it a little bit back, do you believe some human can communicate with snakes (and many other animals) today? That is a way of "talk".

In Genesis 2&3 there is no Fall, rather Adam and Eve become more like God. In the story it is the Serpent that tells the truth and the God that lies or at best tells half truths and made up stuff.