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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
The Bible only mentions one thing about Noah that distinguishes him from "normal" humans:
Noah is not a normal human.quote:Noah was chosen. That's all. Juvenissun writes:
Of course you can. There's no reason to think the laws of physics changed. You can not use modern human to reason things happened in Noah's time."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Genesis certainly implies that it was not. Noah was the only one whose family was saved from the flood.
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.That is normal. Juvenissun writes:
On the contrary, Adam lived to 930, Seth to 912, Enosh to 905, Kenan to 910, Mahalaleel to 895, Jared to 962, Lamech to 777 and Methuselah to 969. Those ages, if they were true, were perfectly normal. What's not normal is that Noah lived 950 years. Edited by ringo, : Added "ly"."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
No he didn't. See, dwise1 said you are dishonest by saying these incredibly old people are "normal". "Normal" at the time, according to the story, was lifespans in the range of 900 years. Noah's age was NOT what distinguished him."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
The only difference mentioned between that time and this time is longevity. So, you should not treat "that" time the same as "this" time."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
It's nowhere near enough to draw any conclusions about the flood.
fingo writes:
That is more than enough. The only difference mentioned between that time and this time is longevity. Juvenissun writes:
Indeed not. Which means it is either an oft-repeated error or deliberate fiction. Which reinforces the idea that the flood is also fiction. It is not a reasonable age in biology. It certainly does NOT mean that there was a "different nature" back then."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
That's a silly question. How do you think I figured out that it was fiction, unless I reasoned about it?
OK, if you do think the whole thing is fictional, then why are you still try to "reason" on the global flood? Juvenissun writes:
Of course they are. We have to look at the evidence to see if the story fits.
Are the arguments on sediments, erosion stuff really meaningful? Juvenissun writes:
On the contrary, if the story gives a fictional age for Noah, we have to wonder what other parts of the story are fiction. Once you touch the issues about Noah, at your level, you are simply asking for trouble, and can not go forward beyond the first step."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvennisun writes:
DUH! Show your math.
If you do not agree on my idea, why should I do that? You show your math to try to get people to agree with your idea. Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
That's really stupid. How would you react if I said I would prove God doesn't exist only after you agree?
No, I will try the math after:1. you agreed on my idea, Juvenissin writes:
Why would I request anything from you? So far, you look like you know nothing. 2. you request it. Showing your work is for YOUR benefit, not mine."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jar writes:
Hmm.... They had a preference for geometric figures a long time ago. we now have additional information of the Iraq stone structures called mustatils (rectangles)"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
That isn't the issue. You wanted me to agree with your idea before you show us the math. That's like you agreeing that God doesn't exist before I show you why. I don't think you're eager to do that. ringo writes:
I would eagerly agree and say: please do that. How would you react if I said I would prove God doesn't exist only after you agree?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
That's no way to approach a discussion. Don't pretend to agree with me. That's dishonest. Tell me up front that you disagree with me. Then I'll tell you why you SHOULD agree with me. Yes, I would certainly agree with you. Because I WANT to see your proof. If you failed, then I will certainly withdraw my agreement."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Pretending to agree when you don't? How can that be anything but dishonest? Why is that dishonest?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Juvenissun writes:
Here's another hint for you: You don't roast a chicken in the fridge. I am not going to tell you how granite is made. But only let you know that moon has no granite. Edited by ringo, : Stelling."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
It occured to me today that he talks like Charlie Chan sometimes. Just curious, but what is your native language? Your attempts at English keep coming off as rather odd. Prepositions are usually one of the hardest things to get right in a foreign language. Non-topic sniping hidden. - Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Guess."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 665 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
It's hard to tell whether you're kidding around because you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Maybe you could tell us what the composition of the moon has to do with the flood. Did I talk to you a lot about granite? You should know that I am not kidding around."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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