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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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jar writes:
I don't recall ever seeing a cat. Now that the thought is in my head, I probably will. But if you claimed you saw Schrodinger's Cat I would never scoff."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined:
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Jesus is Lord.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Amen!
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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The cat might be in Schrdinger's Caf on the campus of the Vienna University of Technology (Technische Universitt Wien, TU Wien) at the corner of Wiedner Hauptstrae and Schaurhofergasse on the way from Karlsplatz to Operngasse (where we stayed). The caf was always closed when we walked past so we never went in (though we did window shop their selection of Big Bang Theory, DC, and Marvel themed merchandise including science project kits). We tried to look in to spot that cat's box, but it was always too dark to see it. So the box may or may not be in the caf, but if we went in to find it then it will have been removed.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
St Bernadette, the woman who saw the Virgin Mary at Lourdes, died at age 35.
this photo was taken 46 years after her death.
wow.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
prc writes: wow Wow indeed
quote: incorruptible body - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And even if that were true it would still not be evidence of any miracle.
Try thinking. Who knows, you might even like it.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined:
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what if i thought, and i decided that Jesus is God? or is that bad think.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: sigh... Bernadette Soubirous - Wikipedia
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
prc writes: what if i thought, and i decided that Jesus is God? or is that bad think. It's a fine thought and if it comforts you then it's a good thought. But understand, it is still nothing but what you think and unrelated to truth, actuality or reality.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
But understand, it is still nothing but what you think and unrelated to truth, actuality or reality. So do you mean to suggest that truth is not a person?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So do you mean to suggest that truth is not a person? Truth is a human construct that is only relevant within a particular mutually agreed social compact and that varies over time, specific instances and related mythos.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Oh ok, I forget. You believe the same thing about the Bible...created, edited, imagined, redacted by humans etc etc.
I disagree with that of course. You always ask me to explain what I mean. Then, you claim that so far nobody has been able to show you. And then you have low regard for the apologists. Granted that among them are many a conman, huckster, and delusional fanatic. My case is that there is a group of people on this planet that have actually had a communion with what they strongly believe (and claim to know) to be the One God Who is reachable through Jesus Christ. In other words, Jesus is God. I know where this will go. You will say that its fine that I believe that, but that so far there is no evidence that Jesus even existed how modern Bibles and Apologists portray Him to be. I will assert that for those of us who know Him, the evidence is within us. Then the peanut gallery will crow loudly that exclusivity is a sign of mass delusion and fantasy and that if God existed they would first have to separate all of the candidates from human cultural mythos, proving yet again that they (you) don't understand God the way that we do. God is not a creation of the human mind. While it may be true that humans often attempt to define and describe God the way that they want Him to be, God is not bound to be that description. God exists eternally. He created all that is seen and unseen. Jesus is/was Gods human character, messenger, embodiment and representation. And the Holy Spirit is a gift...not a scientific law or property. God could have dumped this planet long ago and we would not be having these types of conversations.(or any at all, actually) "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: My case is that there is a group of people on this planet that have actually had a communion with what they strongly believe (and claim to know) to be the One God Who is reachable through Jesus Christ. In other words, Jesus is God. I know where this will go. You will say that its fine that I believe that, but that so far there is no evidence that Jesus even existed how modern Bibles and Apologists portray Him to be. I will assert that for those of us who know Him, the evidence is within us. I know that you use that word ... You really are totally clueless what the word "evidence" means it seems. And yes, it is very true that like the child at the parade I do not see the Emperor's new clothes.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
PRC writes: The only thought that is a bad think is a thought (and perhaps subsequent action) that harms other people. what if i thought, and i decided that Jesus is God? or is that bad think. Belief is a choice. God did not pick and choose who would believe any more than (as jar argues) He foreknew who would be damned. We become the decisions that we make. In my opinion, jar has a good argument in that Christianity is about what we *do* rather than what we say, think, or believe. One reason that so many people despise Christianity is because it claims to be exclusive. All-inclusiveness is a subtle plot and trick of the adversary, however. The only reason that I get on ringos case about socialism is not that it isn't a good idea to take care of everyone. Socialism without God will only lead to global chaos. One side says Jesus is the only way. The other side says that humans are the only way and that all gods should bee thrown away for all practical purposes. Does that make any sense?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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