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Author Topic:   Miracle Of The Sun & Other Musings
ringo
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Message 91 of 327 (881620)
08-26-2020 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Trump won
08-25-2020 11:50 PM


Re: St Bernadette
proudly roman catholic writes:
what if i thought
That would be a miracle.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 92 of 327 (881621)
08-26-2020 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
08-26-2020 11:56 AM


Re: St Bernadette
Phat writes:
Then the peanut gallery will crow loudly....
The peanut gallery will tell you to stop posting the same old same old garbage over and over day after day.
You have hundreds of unanswered posts. Go back and answer some of them. THINK and then answer some of them.
We don't need to hear again and again and yet again what you believe.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 93 of 327 (881622)
08-26-2020 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by ringo
08-26-2020 12:17 PM


Ringos Idea Of "Think"
PRC writes:
what if i thought, and i decided that Jesus is God? or is that bad think.
Think about this. Ringo was a believer for many years and after examining the evidence he rejected Jesus Christ as a messenger, choosing only to keep the message and do what Jesus said to do. Were I a judge, I would not indict ringo for this choice, but I would say that in my opinion rejecting Jesus Christ as God is a bad think.
And ringo, I usually don't answer all of the questions thrown at me because my opponents are attempting to re-frame the issue and get me to see the logic in the conclusion that they arrived at as unbelievers. But I do note your request and will attempt to go back and see my hundreds of unanswered questions and attempt to honestly respond to some of them. Do you have any particular ones that you think I should answer and not duck? List a couple here.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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ringo
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Message 94 of 327 (881624)
08-26-2020 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Phat
08-26-2020 12:24 PM


Re: Ringos Idea Of "Think"
Phat writes:
... he rejected Jesus Christ as a messenger, choosing only to keep the message and do what Jesus said to do.
I told you just a couple of days ago that that's wrong. The message has nothing to do with Jesus. I did not choose one over the other.
Phat writes:
... my opponents are attempting to re-frame the issue and get me to see the logic in the conclusion that they arrived at as unbelievers.
YES!
That's the whole point of discussion, isn't it?
Phat writes:
Do you have any particular ones that you think I should answer and not duck? List a couple here.
You could start with the Prodigal Son.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Trump won 
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Message 95 of 327 (881626)
08-26-2020 1:01 PM


I have exposed this forum to genuine miracles and I have been rebuffed. It is not popular to believe in God for $2 that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that in fact he is God but Christians have to learn to not be popular. The truth is in the gospels and it will set you free language of Jesus Christ performed proves that he he is miraculous that he is Son of God that he is God himself and he is in essence the word that he is in essence truth and by studying the Linguistics of Jesus Christ one can clearly come to the understanding that this person is divine. Two Natures human and divine.

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Phat
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Message 96 of 327 (881810)
08-31-2020 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Trump won
08-26-2020 1:01 PM


Chris listen to this podcast.
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9yemltLm9yZy9...

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Message 97 of 327 (881819)
09-01-2020 1:50 AM


how many people have to be spontaneiously cured of cancer at lourdes before the skeptics take the knee?

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jar
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Message 98 of 327 (881821)
09-01-2020 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Trump won
09-01-2020 1:50 AM


PeoplesRepublicofChina writes:
how many people have to be spontaneiously cured of cancer at lourdes before the skeptics take the knee?
It would never be evidence of a miracle no matter how many alleged instances there were.
Learn the basics.
Learn what evidence is.

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Phat
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Message 99 of 327 (881822)
09-01-2020 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by jar
09-01-2020 7:18 AM


The problem with jar in a nutshell
Learn Who God is.
Learn the Source.
Hint: He does not require evidence. Socratic masters do not define who the Warlord is, what He should do, what we should do, and what defines reality. They are taught or they are reprobates who refuse instruction. The error of your entire teaching is that humans define God and have a responsibility to do so. You have emphasized CONTENT over SOURCE. You need both.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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jar
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Message 100 of 327 (881825)
09-01-2020 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Phat
09-01-2020 8:27 AM


Re: The problem with jar in a nutshell
Phat writes:
Learn Who God is.
Learn the Source.
Hint: He does not require evidence. Socratic masters do not define who the Warlord is, what He should do, what we should do, and what defines reality. They are taught or they are reprobates who refuse instruction. The error of your entire teaching is that humans define God and have a responsibility to do so. You have emphasized CONTENT over SOURCE. You need both.
More utter nonsense from you Phat.
Stop and think. Reread what I quoted from your post and underline the really stupid parts.

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ringo
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Message 101 of 327 (881829)
09-01-2020 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Phat
09-01-2020 8:27 AM


Re: The problem with jar in a nutshell
Phat writes:
Hint: He does not require evidence.
See the story of Thomas. Jesus offered evidence to the disciples but Thomas wasn't there. Later, when Thomas was there, Jesus offered the same evidence to him. Jesus did not have the same contempt for evidence that you have.
Phat writes:
You have emphasized CONTENT over SOURCE.
Are you ever going to be honest? You KNOW that the content is more important than the source. You don't throw your mail away and keep the envelopes.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 102 of 327 (881834)
09-01-2020 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by ringo
09-01-2020 12:24 PM


The Envelope IS the Creator
ringo writes:
Are you ever going to be honest? You KNOW that the content is more important than the source. You don't throw your mail away and keep the envelopes.
Jesus is not some mere envelope. Jesus is the Creator of all seen and unseen. He is the name above every name. He is over all of the little pesky spirits of the age that plague both your intelligence and mine. He is the answer....not Trump and not Biden. Not Greta and her global warming mantras. Not socialism and a kinder gentler humanity.
When are you ever going to be honest? God exists and wants a spiritual communion with humanity. Throwing away that envelope will give you a letter full of lying spirits and doctrines of demons. It may look and appear to be a good noble thing for all of us to be as one, but just as we humans could never be all as one in the day of the Tower of Babel, we wont be one now....without including (and worshiping) the SOURCE, Creator of all seen and unseen.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 103 of 327 (881844)
09-01-2020 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Phat
09-01-2020 3:29 PM


Re: The Envelope IS the Creator
Phat writes:
Jesus is not some mere envelope.
He's a fictional envelope.
Phat writes:
He is the answer....
So how come He doesn't give YOU some answers when you're "communing"? Why do you have to run away from every discussion?
Phat writes:
When are you ever going to be honest?
If you can point out a single instance when I have been dishonest, go ahead and post it. Otherwise, you can stop playing your schoolyard I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I games.
Phat writes:
Throwing away that envelope will give you a letter full of lying spirits and doctrines of demons.
Throwing away the envelope is what you do.
Phat writes:
... just as we humans could never be all as one in the day of the Tower of Babel...
As usual, you misread the story. Humans WERE going to be as one. That's what God was afraid of. That's why He deliberately interfered and made things worse for the people.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 104 of 327 (881847)
09-02-2020 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by jar
09-01-2020 7:18 AM


Learn who Christ is. He is God. That is basic. Check out the shroud of Turin if you are obsessed with physical evidence.

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Message 105 of 327 (881849)
09-02-2020 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Trump won
09-02-2020 6:05 AM


PRC writes:
Check out the shroud of Turin if you are obsessed with physical evidence.
Like all your posts, this is simply wrong. The Turin shroud is a 13th century fraud proven by carbon dating 30 years ago.
Additionally, a forensic scientist examination in 2018 showed that the image on the cloth was inconsistent with a laid out corpse
quote:
An investigation into the arm and body position required to obtain the blood pattern visible in the image of the Shroud of Turin was performed using a living volunteer. The two short rivulets on the back of the left hand of the Shroud are only consistent with a standing subject with arms at a ca 45 angle. This angle is different from that necessary for the forearm stains, which require nearly vertical arms for a standing subject. The BPA of blood visible on the frontal side of the chest (the lance wound) shows that the Shroud represents the bleeding in a realistic manner for a standing position while the stains at the backof a supposed postmortem bleeding from the same wound for a supine corpseare totally unrealistic. Simulation of bleeding from the nail wounds contacting wood surfaces yielded unclear results.
Just a moment...
(link still works)

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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