Free will vs Omniscience

I palm no pea. There is no reason to do so. .Note: Message 1263
So what does your precious evidence say about the origin of the universe?( And the whole marketing claim that Genesis was a Just-So story is entirely your gimmick. ) And it certainly hurts your claim that you are a believer.One could rightly ask just what it is that you believe in. As you explain this to us, keep in mind that your belief is essentially what *you* market....either explicitly or implicitly. In fact, I will help you to explain it to us through what you have said before. Feel free to elaborate. Message 1
So explain why God would choose all people? Where does Hitler fit in? Pol Pot? You seem harder on the goats whom you believe will be mainly Christians than you are on them! Hopefully it is still changing.

Stop being intentionally stupid Phat.The evidence says we can't say anything about the beginning of the universe so far.And Phat, I am not so dumb as to confuse beliefs with knowledge. Stop being intentionally stupid Phat.Read what I actually wrote. How is it possible that you can quote what I say yet demonstrate that you did not even READ what you quoted?Read what was actually written Phat and then underline where I actually answered your questions in what you quoted.Based on what I quoted, where would Hitler (a Christian by the way) and Pol Pot fit in?

Stop using that silly metaphor. We've been through it. There is no baby in the bathwater.

1. Why should anybody have to explain God's choices to you?2. Why should God's choices make sense to you?3. Why don't you ask Him yourself during your "communion"?4. Why would He only choose only the apologists and you?5. Why don't you answer the questions people ask you?

As well, even if we do have free will - there is still no need for Christianity.

OK, but I might add that not all who claim to be Christians are automatically thus Christians. Understanding that might help. In fact, I think you already know that...since you might argue that Christians are judged by what they do. Hitler obviously did not do what a Christian is supposed to do.Now...to answer your question, allow me to reread and to underline. According to the Sheep & Goats judgement, God may well have initially chosen all people, yet at the point of judgement He divides them up. You wont argue that both sheep and goats end up in Heaven, will you?(Of course none of us know)Or are you telling me that GOD chose all people for Heaven? That's my basic question. If that is what you believe, i would find it incredulous.

They shouldnt. If we agree, we both recognize God. If we disagree, you need God explained to you. You evidently have mistaken some spaghetti monster or Loki for the real deal. The Book of Job clearly shows me that they often don't. If He in fact saved everyone, that too would blow my mind. But why on earth would I want Him to damn anyone? Unless perhaps they killed my Mother or my beloved pet. Even then would they really deserve Hell? Trust me I often do. Dont be silly. Stop it. I have mentioned before that He might even choose jar and yourself, despite your critically thinking minds that don't try and get to know Him. Why dont you join the winning team instead of fighting us all of the time?

Phat, anyone who is a member of a recognized chapter of Club Christian is a Christian. And Christians are not identified by what they do. And Hitler was never judged guilty of not being a Christian; Christians can and often are and have been among the great evils of all history. Again Phat, what is actually written.I argue that in the story all of the GOATS are followers of Jesus and none make the cut and instead they are all damned. And you are still showing that you have not even read or honestly thought about what I said.An omniscient god that is creator of all that is, seen and unseen is the ultimate evil if anyone is damned to hell. Such a god is unworthy of respect or worship and must be condemned and opposed.

Sorry, I thought I am talking to adults who can think.
The FACT that Christianity exists, says that free will exists.

Fine, that says we do have free will.

I said, "God's CHOICES." What makes you so arrogant as to think you can explain God's choices? There's no evident difference. Then why are you so clueless? You should be able to answer all of those unanswered posts with no problem. Maybe that's His point. Maybe He's using jar and me to try to drum some critical thinking into you. How can your team be winning if you can't answer the questions? How can you score at all when you keep running away from the ball?

And the fact that Judaism exists means what? And the fact that Islam exists means what? And the fact that Buddhism exists means what? And the fact that Mormonism exists means what?

They mean: God exists.What you need to improve is to ask question related to the issue of discussion. In your case, question is cheap. That is an abuse to the value of question. Cheap question devalues yourself (back to be a kid). Good question is hard to ask. You are not able to evaluate your own question yet. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

Again waking up earlyt and saying my morning prayers. The real life issues that I face (as opposed to the hypothetical arguments at EvC Forum) are often exposed in my morning communion. Through my time alone with God, I clearly feel His conviction, correction, or at times silence. When He is silent, I feel that He is allowing my own conscience to choose between selfishly holding on to a belief or idea or letting it go (by giving it to Him) .I won't share my personal struggles here, but I will say that the solutions that seem to percolate to the surface are similar to the solutions in our hypothetical arguments that for me at least present some level of acceptance that I can live with. In general, some of them are:
SHARING: As to whether a blessing, favor, or solution belongs to ME alone or whether I am expected to share it with others. Honesty in this area exposes my fear at believing that the blessing has limits and whether I am holding on to my entitlement out of a real fear that letting go might mean that my blessing decreases.ENTITLEMENT: As to what really belongs to me, what belongs to all of us, and what belongs to GOD and is His as regarding sole discretion over whom and what to distribute His largess.The issues were addressed and I feel better, so now allow me to revisit some of your questions and rethink my answers. Good question. I believe that on one level, Christians who pray often and imagine a connection to God personally and not simply corporately by listening to Pastors, Evangelists and Apologists actually *do* have an idea or impression as to how God thinks, but this belief and awareness is constantly evolving and changing as we ourselves grow older and (hopefully) wiser. I certainly don't think nor believe that God is entirely unknowable. Jesus Christ has made it possible to know Him. Because God was made man through Jesus Christ. God became human in the 2nd member of the Trinity. If God chooses to relate to humanity through Jesus Christ, I...being also human...may have an inkling as to Gods choices in regards to humanity on this planet.

My questions were directly related to what you posted. Even my phraseology directly mirrored yours. You gave a ten-dollar response that didn't answer a ten-cent question. You'll save yourself a lot of trouble if you just debate in good faith instead of whining about how other people debate. You've told me yourself in other threads that I ask good questions. Try to get your story straight.