Free will vs Omniscience

The evidence doesn't support that. But you reject almost everything that Jesus said.

Are you telling me that The Evidence supports a contrarian point of view? Do enlighten me. I am asserting that God has been adequately explained through people whom are more in touch with Him than are the rest of you yahoos. You will strongly disagree, siding with jar and calling out "the apologists" as a bunch of carny barking hucksters. If God exists and is actually forever unknowable, then you guys have won the argument. Christianity is unnecessary. We can all become socialists, humanists and a unified planet of people relying only on ourselves to forge a brave new secular path into the future. Right? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

That isnt true and you know it. I reject the idea that you have embraced of taking Jesus message and applying it to socialism while allowing for secular humanism to be the belief. What I reject is secular humanism, not Jesus Christ.

I'm telling you that the evidence doesn't support your claim that your "communion" with God gives you special knowledge. The evidence does not support that assertion. If it did, you would be providing the evidence instead of constantly scoffing at the idea of evidence. We can all become more like Jesus. Right.

It is true. You reject what He told the rich young ruler. You reject the prodigal son parable. I'm not applying anything. I'm directly quoting what He said. Jesus was a humanist.You're just using "socialist" and "humanist" as buzzwords without the dlightest understanding of what they mean.

You rejectDo as you would be done by and Love thy neighbour?

Humanists believe that human beings produced the progressive advance of human society and also the ills that plague it. They believe that if the ills are to be alleviated, it is humanity that will have to do the job.Isaac Asimov.

Christians believe that God is Spirit. They believe in One Holy Spirit and basically in One Body of Christ...the Church. It is taught that not ALL belong to this Body. Whether or not ALL ever will or not is for the future to decide. Christians are not by any means 100% unified in their beliefs regarding issues in the world, but by and large Christians also believe that humans produced the progressive advance of human society, though some, (remember Faith?) would argue that it was because of Christian values and specifically Christ in us that society advanced and that the ills that plague us were due to the lesser light..the occultic reflection that permeates the rest of the human animal. Christians are no better than the rest of the humans except that they have the light of the Spirit and not everybody automatically comes equipped with this.They believe that if the ills are to be alleviated, it is necessary for societ6y to surrender to the Spirit of God and get rid of all the internal ills and mental; blocks that the lesser counterfeit light uses us for.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

That teaching is a lie. See the story of the prodigal son.Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

I wonder if even you know what that means. If anything. There's no one else going to do it is there? Conspicuous absence is the term. More meaningless drivel. pseudo-religous, contentless nonsense. What on earth do you think that means?

Calling evil good and good evil are we? If I told you that it was you who were taught the lies, you would demand that I do more than assert it. Jesus taught that the road to destruction was broad and that many follow it and that the road of truth was a narrow road and few would find it. He certainly never implied that ALL would find it nor that ALL would make it to Heaven.Even John 3:16, the poster scripture of Christianity, while claiming correctly that God so loved the world...l(everyone)...it says that whosoever believes in Him shall have everlasting life. You will argue that this means that whosoever believes in the message (and does it) shall have eternal life. Believing in the message without belief in the resurrected Jesus Christ is an empty belief.The New Age lie of Universal Christ Consciousness. Back to your old buddy, the snake again...who you claim told the truth, even when the Lie was and is that we can all be just like Jesus without need of God (Elohim) and that since humans alone are the only agents observable through science of making a change and an impact that helps all of us, *we* are in essence gods. Not only that, but the snake in todays world whispers to us that God is but a myth and does not exist. Satans lie has begun to replace Gods truth. Are you trying to tell me that this story implies that we all are sons? Again, a son is "whosoever" recognizes and respects the father. Do you honestly think that the Father would kill the fatted calf simply for some entitled bozo who walked into the shelter, grabbed a free meal, then left the shelter to mosey on down to the corner bar? Its a two way street. The Father will accept anyone of us home. But the son must acknowledge what his home is. Where even his Fathers servants have enough to eat. Where his Father is his father. Where the messenger is his father and not simply an old man who warmly accepts everyone into his house and lets them do as *they* please.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

I don't think we can say such a thing so definitively yet.I act as if I have free will.
But even what I have certainly isn't an "all-the-time" thing.Things like panic, anxiety, surprise and instincts also exist.
When acting under such aspects - humans can be said to "have no free will" as their actions are reflexive and not "chosen."This line between acting without free will, and acting by intellectually choosing between various options ("having free will") is different for all people and can vary greatly.It's generally more productive to discuss having free will in specific situations/examples as opposed to attempt discussing it as a single attribute and assuming it's "on" all the time (as this is highly likely to be false.)And we also need to remember that "having free will" at all is also still an assumption based upon incomplete evidence.
We do not fully understand the human mind and how it works and whether or not determinism is in play.
Maybe we have free will.
Maybe we only have an illusion of free will.
We don't know for sure yet - we don't know enough to such such a thing.Without such knowledge - even our assumptions and conclusions that are based on the available evidence need to be reminded that they are not "as confident as things like math."

You are, yes. I would remind you that I wasn't taught anything. I just read what the text says. I have tried to get you to do more than assert it but you never do. AND you refuse to discuss the lies that YOU have learned. And that contradicts your claim that your theology is mainstream. He said that He came to save ALL of us. He tried to tell YOU that YOU aren't going to make it if all you do is mouth Lord! Lord! You're contradicting Jesus. The snake said no such thing. He said Adam and Eve would not die the same day that they ate the fruit. And they didn't. The snake told the truth. You're just making up your own story. The story of the prodigal son says the exact opposite: The father accepted the prodigal son unconditionally. The prodigal son was valued above the obedient son. The entitled bozo was the obedient son, like you. The father DID kill the fatted calf for the prodigal one. It says that at plain as day. No. That's not what the story says.The father saw his son far away and went to meet him and welcome him home. He had no way of knowing whether or not the son had repented. WE don't know whether the son repented. It isn't important to the story.It's getting very frustrating listening to you lie through your teeth about the Bible.

Just because im "making stuff up" does not mean it is a lie. And just because you interpret the scripture the way that you claim it reads does not mean that you are sharing the truth. 5 people reading the plain text may get 5 differing interpretive meanings from it. Stop andd think.

If the scripture really did come inspirationally from an omniscient God through human authors, who is to say that there are also those He has chosen to interpret the message and spread the Word?
And if the scripture was merely the intended mythos and story from various human authors, what is the harm of interpreting it the way that we choose?

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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer

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The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

It is when you've been shown repeatedly that it isn't true. It isn't a "claim". It DOES say what it says. Anybody who reads it can see what it says. No they won't. You might get one or two very minor deviations but you won't get the exact opposite like your claims. The snake said they wouldn't die and they didn't. Anybody who reads that will read it correctly - unless they have been indoctrinated in apologist lies. YOU stop and think. I have challenged you before to go back and answer your unanswered posts. If you actually THINK instead of just regurgitating what you have been spoon-fed, maybe you'll be able to discuss the topic honestly. If that was true, there would be no point in us ordinary peons reading the Bible at all. But if the peons aren't smart enough to read the Bible, how can they tell whether the apologists' interpretations have any merit? It isn't harmful to me. It's harmful to you. It's the equivalent of taking your life savings in return for a bottle of snake oil.