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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, science did check out the Shroud of Turin but even if it was not a fraud it would not be evidence that Jesus even existed or evidence of a miracle.
Learn the basics. See if you can find where you left your brain.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Hey, PRC: I have a piece of the True Cross out in my shed. I’ll sell it to you - today only - for $2500.00, no sales tax. PM me quick, before it sells to someone else.
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
PRC,addressing jar writes: It is basic and yet so powerful. But you have to understand what happened to jar. Learn who Christ is. He is God. That is basic. Way back in 2006 jar posted a Belief Statement:jar when our beloved Queen Asgara was alive and overseeing the Columnists Corner. As aa young child, he basically had the intuitive Theology of the mainstream Christians (which includes Protestant, Roman Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox by the way) when he first encountered an Episcopal Priest named Joe Wood.
Jars Belief Statement writes: It was then that jar got exposed to Critical Thinking, having Answers to Question, and other world religions and belief systems. Never again did he apparantly think that Jesus Christ was central to the salvation of humanity. In jars view, Jesus was marketed by a group of hucksters known as the apologists and was in no way actually as marketed. I'm not sure what the RCC teaches you, but I was taught that Jesus was and is Gods character...a mediator between the Creator of all seen and unseen and humanity. In Trinitarian terms, God was the SOURCE and ground of all, Jesus was the light that illuminated human understanding and awareness of the One God from all of the imaginations, vanities, myths, and explanations that human thinking would give us, and the Holy Spirit is that same awareness, Creativity of God, and Absolute Truth that comforts us all to this day. Perhaps out of all this there is one statement that you, I, and jar may agree with.
Joe Wood was the main Church influence in those years. He was the priest there, holding services on Sundays in a big old granite church that sat on the corner. The alley behind the church held a car repair shop called Gasoline Alley, and a man who had a zoo in his back yard with cages of monkeys, birds and real alligators and after services we could run down the alley and look over the fence at the wondrous things, cars disassembled and flashes of color as the birds flew about in their big cages, a world of sounds and sights and smells far different from the church above. The Church itself was cool and dark when you entered, the sun through the stained glass windows played and danced across the dark wooden pews as clouds raced across the morning skies. As the pews filled the temperature rose and you reached for one of the paper fans that sat behind the red Book of Common Prayer or black Hymnal. They had a scene and verse from the bible on one side, advertisements for funeral homes or restaurant on the other. Some said "In Memory of so-and-so. Living with Jesus and in the heart of his family and friends.", and when you asked who so-and-so was your mom would tell you to hush. As you grew older you were expected to attend classes leading to Confirmation. Joe taught all the classes, and he explained that when you were little, and baptized, your parents and god-parents had taken responsibility for your education and acts, but that now that you were growing up, it was time that YOU took responsibility for yourself. He also said that it was something to really think about. He said you were confirming, or that you might also find that you were not sure or ready to confirm, what it really was that you believed. He said he would be happier if we didn't get confirmed because we didn't understand things than if we did get confirmed just because it was what our parents wanted. Part of the process, in addition to classes were days when we got to sit down with Joe and just talk. He had a bucket with cokes and Nehi orange and grape soda and we'd sit side by side at a table and just talk. I remember telling him that "Jesus died for my sins and so if I believed in Him I was saved." and his laugh before he said, "Well, then I guess all this is a waste of time isn't it?" In summation, jars statement of Belief is this:
quote: Aside from not understanding how God could choose everyone and then judge them, splitting them into sheep and goats, I can understand his Theology. He claims that I always geet it wrong, as does ringo...but they want to direct my thinking into critical appraisal rather than in the acceptance that I was taught and still hold to this very day. Jesus will never become unknowable to me, nor will I fall for the idea that the apologists market a false gospel. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
the reason why we suffer is to mirror jesus christ who understood what it meant to be human through suffering as we do. god is forever linked to mankind through the mutual endurance of suffering.
the suffering man does not suffer in vain but in his suffering he communes and mirrors the suffering of Christ who is God. in perhaps the most common human experience we suffer as christ suffered and through suffering we become closer to god, a distant thing in islam, an indifferent thing in judaism, and a nonexistent thing in atheism. the divine revelation of God is Jesus Christ who is understood through suffering. it wasn't enough that God should reveal His existence but that he should reveal his Genius, who is Jesus Christ, in whom we find Compassion and life itself. It wasn't enough for God to be known. He had to be known as He Is which Is in His Son Jesus Christ, the eternal intercessory of our Suffering and the one who cares enough to know what it is to be human, to suffer and die.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You keep trying to market a disgusting pathetic picayune psycopath of a god that is totally unworthy of any respect.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
We preach Christ crucified not jar Lala land
Its disgusting that you refer to our lord as a psychopath. May he be merciful
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Come on, if you are gonna quote quote it all. The lord you market is a disgusting pathetic picayune psycopath of a god that is totally unworthy of any respect.
AbE: And yes, marketing Christ Crucified simply demeans and denigrates Jesus and makes his whole message totally worthless. It is disgusting that you pervert Jesus to such an extent. Edited by jar, : see AbE
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hmm.... The Mennonite church that my mother grew up in used to have the words, "We preach Christ crucified," emblazoned on the wall above the choir. It always seemed like an odd slogan to me. I would have preferred something like, "Hallelujah!"
At some point, they changed it to, "We preach Christ." I wonder why?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
When I read the New Testament all the way through (twice), I was struck by the stark difference between the two halves.
I actually liked a number of Jesus' teachings, but those could only be found in the Gospels. Then once Paul and the others got a hold of it, it changed from "the religion of Jesus" to "the religion about the Christ". And it was when they turned their back on Jesus and replaced him with the Christ that it all turned weird.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Primitive Catholics like 'WhoeverI'mCallingMyselfToday" have always been really into the sadism of their belief. They wallow in the blood sacrifice and torture. All their churches have images of Christ being tortured to death on their walls.
In the Stations of the Cross, you're supposed to kneel down under 14 of these images and imagine his suffering. Not that there's much to imagine, you have the gory image in front of you and you've been drilled in the intricate details of the process of crucifixion stage by stage. It's X-rated stuff taught to terrified children. Nothing short of child abuse. It's literally medieval. To complete the insanity you get a plenary indulgence for doing this. This means that if you get hit by a bus when leaving the church you go straight to heaven, do not pass go, do not spend any time in purgatory. You couldn't make this shit up could you? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Add to all of that, that the Catholic Church is estimated to be worth between $10 and $15bn (ignoring all of the priceless works of art they've spent their rubes cash on, instead of helping the poor and infirm...)
Lovely people ;-)Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
the catholic church, oh you mean the #1 most charitble organization in the world?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
on the contrary, it is through the crucified Christ that man understands God and limns the limits of his existence.
it is through the suffering Christ that man finds his dignity, especially our brothers and sisters who only know suffering.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Ooh, going for the moral high ground again, having gone to such lengths to hide and protect your paedophile priests ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
obviously you have an axe to grind, but i have not made the slightest inclination to do what you accuse me of
personally i think pedophile priests should be defrocked immediately and adjudicated. Edited by Christ crucified?, : No reason given.
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