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Tangle
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Message 20 of 138 (879993)
07-27-2020 1:30 PM


A neighbour of mine here in the UK has joint UK & US citizenship (born New York, lived here for 50 years). She received a cheque for $1,200 this month from you guys because she earns less than whatever value has been set. She earns quite a bit here actually.
She got a letter a week later from Trump saying that he sent it.
I don't think it's changed her mind about what she thinks of him. In fact, she'd use it as a downpayment on a hitman if she knew how.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

  
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Message 61 of 138 (881812)
08-31-2020 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Phat
08-31-2020 4:00 PM


Re: The Bill will get paid
Phat writes:
... and one crackpot scheme after another to take money from others ... totally free health care (Medicare for all)
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I doubt you'll find anyone in the UK with a bad word to say about our NHS.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 71 of 138 (881837)
09-01-2020 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
09-01-2020 3:23 PM


Re: The Bill will get paid
Phat writes:
Why should I get paid the same as the new guy that just started? Why am I forced to get taxed to support everybody and be unable to save for my own retirement?
All of that is just wrong. You've fallen for the lie of the winner takes all, American dream and you have no idea what liberal socialism actually is, you think it's some form of communism - it's not.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 85 of 138 (881920)
09-05-2020 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Phat
09-05-2020 9:11 AM


Re: Two Good Apologists
Phat writes:
I dont fully understand the argument, but am in favor of Dr. Lennox defense in general. (and why wouldn't I be?)
If you can't even tell us what these 'arguments' are, how can we discuss them?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 89 of 138 (881926)
09-05-2020 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by PaulK
09-05-2020 12:20 PM


Re: Two Good Apologists
PaulK writes:
Needless to say, I am not impressed by Lennox.
I just watched a debate with him and Dawkins and Christian promo of him 'debunking' Hawking and Krauss.
The first was just a rehash of all familiar arguments which are too boring to go into, but the second was him talking as a mathematician - or at least at first.
After a few minutes it became pretty clear that he hadn't a clue what either of them where actually saying. He didn't understand the difference between mathematical/cosmological definitions of nothing and the layman's understanding of nothing and got into that populist ridicule mode. Really disappointing that he's prepared to let himself down like that.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 91 of 138 (881931)
09-05-2020 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Phat
09-05-2020 3:16 PM


Re: Two Good Apologists
Phat writes:
... it almost seems as if you guys are on another planet from myself.
We are, it's called non-overlapping magisterium. We're always talking about different things but think it's the same.
When Hawkings and Krauss etc talk about a universe from nothing it's a different 'nothing' than when you or I talk about it. Neither you nor I understand a cosmological nothing.
It only makes mathematical sense, it's not what is meant when we say that there's nothing in the jar.
So when your guy is ridiculing the something from nothing idea by pretending it's the same as the empty jar he's being disingenuous, appealing to the ignorant masses. And he does know better.
And worse, it makes a reasonable discussion of a really difficult idea impossible between the two sides.
It resolves to - because of the laws of gravity, the universe can create itself from nothing. But the law of gravity is not nothing. So how does that work?
I don't know and I doubt anyone does. Or if they do, they don't know how to explain it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 108 of 138 (882050)
09-09-2020 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Phat
09-09-2020 2:05 PM


Re: The Prodigal Son
ringo writes:
How is that taking care of me? How is being homeless taking care of me?
Allah will provide.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 116 of 138 (882065)
09-10-2020 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Phat
09-09-2020 6:15 PM


Re: Giving It All Up. Put Your Money Where Your Faith Is.
Phat writes:
You expect any religious guy worth listening to to have shed all of their worldly goods and waunder around like a vagabond hippie, helping homeless and sick people and taking no concern for themselves.
‘We’ don't expect anything. 'We' are simply pointing out what it says in your book. Every Christian that I have ever met participates in a pick 'n mix form of the belief. It's just as well they do because Christ's message does not allow our society to function if it was followed by all.
And I can hear him now...ringo will say "thats what Jesus did".
And you know he's right.
He doesn't expect us to piously imitate His poverty.
No he commands you to actually do it. But only, of course, if you want to be saved. Jolly inconvenient.
But the poor will always be with us, and becoming poor yourself does not solve the problem.
That's a rationalisation. You're trying to find an excuse for not doing what your Lord commands you to do. You don't actually believe Christ's message Phat, do you? You only choose to believe those bits that are good for you.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 128 of 138 (882103)
09-10-2020 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Phat
09-10-2020 5:37 AM


Re: Giving It All Up. Put Your Money Where Your Faith Is.
Phat writes:
I know Christ beyond simply as a character in a book. I don't have to look up what He says in the book to verify any command or will of His.
What you're saying is that the voice in your head knows better what Jesus wants than the what is written in the bible. You're own personal god.
Whatisname has a personal god in his head too and his god tells him that you're going to hell because you are not a Catholic.
Now one of you or your gods is wrong. What are we to make of that?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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