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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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So now we have fingers in ears, public prayer piety and Phat cheers the loon for his efforts.
Well done you two, by acting like fundamentalist crackpots you and your like are causing the death of religion in our societies. Keep it up.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
First the critics:
jar writes: I don't know about Chris, but the God I "market" is in no need of anyones respect. You keep trying to market a disgusting pathetic picayune psycopath of a god that is totally unworthy of any respect.Acts7:48 NKJV writes:
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"However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
'Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the LORD, Or what is the place of My rest? Has My hand not made all these things?' "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Acts 17:24-34 NKJV writes: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead." 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter." 33 So Paul departed from among them. Of course jar thinks that the God we market is one whom we have created. In fact, he is quite dismissive of the God whom Chris sees.
jar writes: jar markets a God whom was and is essentially created by human wisdom. He thus throws such a God away and invites the secular humanists to simply roll up their sleeeves and help do good at the local soup kitchen or prison. Additionally, it seems that many here at EvC are quite spiteful and in favor of total abolishment of the RCC. I've noticed that about liberals. They can be the most unforgiving people on the planet. Unless, of course...it is their own perverts whom they support.
Come on, if you are gonna quote quote it all. The lord you market is a disgusting pathetic picayune psyhcopath of a god that is totally unworthy of any respect.And yes, marketing Christ Crucified simply demeans and denigrates Jesus and makes his whole message totally worthless. It is disgusting that you pervert Jesus to such an extent. Dont let these folks anywhere near your kids either."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar markets a God whom was and is essentially created by human wisdom. Phat, Phat, Phat. Please stop lying. Really. Why do you constantly misrepresent and lie about what I post?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Have you not marketed GOD God and god?
Have you not stated that GOD is unknowable while we are living? Have you not asserted that humans are all universally charged to do what we intrinsically know to do based on human wisdom? Have you not told me to throw God away?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
So Mary is a god-creature like satan, jesus and jahova, each with their own god-like powers. And Mary now comes in an extra-virgin flavor.
Well, I guess if you can do that for olives why not for rape victims.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Have you not marketed GOD God and god?Have you not stated that GOD is unknowable while we are living? Have you not asserted that humans are all universally charged to do what we intrinsically know to do based on human wisdom? Have you not told me to throw God away? Think Phat, for once actually try to think. Which of the things you quoted support your lie that "jar markets a God whom was and is essentially created by human wisdom."? Why must you always lie Phat? Then if you can, point out the new examples of you lying in your recent post that is quoted above. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
i'll take this bluster seriously when you sell all of your worldly possessions and live in a homeless camp
I'm not the one who claims to "believe in Jesus". He also said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." From the Vulgate: charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity (kindness), goodness, longanimity (forbearance), mildness (gentleness), faith, modesty, continency (self-control), and chastity. Not seeing a lot of those in you."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: So let me get this straight. Only those who claim to believe in Jesus are supposed to give it all up? I'm not the one who claims to "believe in Jesus". And while we are talking on Chris's page here, I'll be honest what I feel concerning Christianity. The early believers appeared to be 100% all in. They knew the power of the Risen Christ as well as knowing Him personally before He was crucified. In those first 300 years AD, the five churches were established in five major cities...Rome, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Damascus. Or was it Ephesus? Anyway, Christianity was already becoming watered down...as many sought positions, prestige, and an excuse to go forth and conquer land and lands. It has always been true with humans. Even knowing God is never enough. We have an innate propensity to rebel and seek to raise ourselves up instead of Jesus. The RCC split from the other 4 cities in 1066, and was the major economic and political wing of Catholicism. Many of the early Popes were accused of being corrupt and/or driven by their own ambitions, but just as Jesus told Peter, the gates of hell never prevailed against the church because there were genuine strong moral (and spiritual) people within that Body.
quote: Collated USCCB DataOn the Number of U.S. Priests Accused of Sexually Abusing Children and the Numbers of Persons Alleging Abuse 1950—2018 This modern scandal is inexcusable and as bad as anything the early RCC faced, but it does not mean that the entire organisation should be disbanded. The church has a lot of educated and skilled members who are capable of helping many people. It seems that those of you who want them brought down have never acknowledged credibility to the competency of these members anyway. And as to the edict that you often push to sell all that one has, might I remind you that it was a rich young ruler who was advised to do such a thing. Nowhere is the implication that anyone of modest means should give up all they have and become poor simply to appease Jesus. Edited by Phat, : removed Constantinople and added Damascus to the list or the original five. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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I think that I should point out that the major scandal is not the number of child-abusing priests - bad as that is.
The Roman Catholic Church covered up those crimes, protected the guilty and enabled them to repeat their crimes against more children. THAT is the biggest scandal, and it seems to me adequate reason for sanctions against the RCC.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Note that I said you market a God...not a GOD. I suppose that whenever I paraphrase what you say, I then begin to lie. Keep in mind, however, that these issues are not solely the property of your framework. They are open to interpretation. I never knowing lie to anyone...but I may try and frame issues with favorably biased wording...so I suppose I'm guilty of that.
You love to slap me with charges of lying at every opportunity, however. Your style of argumentation is sophomoric and appropriate for a take-no-prisoners debate at an adolescent boarding school. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
PaulK writes: I think that I should point out that the major scandal is not the number of child-abusing priests - bad as that is.The Roman Catholic Church covered up those crimes, protected the guilty and enabled them to repeat their crimes against more children. THAT is the biggest scandal, and it seems to me adequate reason for sanctions against the RCC. I can agree yet disagree with the remedy. It is similar to charging the US Government with reparations against...oh...lets say the Native Americans. As a government, they may well be guilty, but do you really expect the United States to disband all of the private property and modern day leases and claims simply to satisfy an ancient grudge? It won't happen nor should it for it would wreck the status quo of modern America. Same with the RCC. I will say, however, that they should acknowledge their sins....yet it likely is impossible to pay for that acknowledgement without destroying the entire church...much as Reparations may well destroy the US Government and a host of private interests. You liberals really need to stop telling the rest of us what we must do and when. We are not beholden to that type of authority. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I will point out that I did not insist on ruinous sanctions, only that sanctions were justified.
And indeed, the United States did act appallingly against the Native Americans in many ways - the scale of reparations is a question to be answered but certainly it can be considered just that there should be some.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are still lying Phat.
Show me where I market a God at all? It is not me who markets GOD or God or god but you and the Apologists. And I support that assertion and have consistently supported that assertion by simply pointing out what YOU and the Apologists and the authors of the Bible actually have written. I believe you do not knowingly lie but only because you refuse to actually think about or even read what you write. I don't enjoy having to constantly and repeatedly point out your actions and behavior but decades of discussion with you has shown you simply are not capable of even seeing your own behavior. Then, the reaction from you is consistently to simply avoid addressing the questions asked of you. Which of the things you quoted support your lie that "jar markets a God whom was and is essentially created by human wisdom."? Of the specifics I was responding to ...
Phat writes: Have you not marketed GOD God and god?Have you not stated that GOD is unknowable while we are living? Have you not asserted that humans are all universally charged to do what we intrinsically know to do based on human wisdom? Have you not told me to throw God away? ... can you even see the new examples of you lying in what is quoted above?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Truly, God’s mercy is forever; it never ends, it never runs out, it never gives up when faced with closed doors, and it never tires. In this forever we find strength in moments of trial and weakness because we are sure that God does not abandon us. He remains with us forever. Pope Francis
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Capt Stormfield Member (Idle past 456 days) Posts: 428 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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Truly, God’s mercy is forever; it never ends, it never runs out, it never gives up when faced with closed doors, and it never tires. So a lot like stupidity and ignorance then.
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