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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Everybody doing the right thing is not a "globalist agenda".
....but im wary of a globalist agenda. Phat writes:
But it's the ones who DO trust God - e.g. the televangelists and the apologists - who can't be trusted. i dont trust people who dont trust God."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Then why are you afraid to discuss them?
... I am not inclined to mistrust Christian apologetics. Phat writes:
And yet most of what you post here is extraordinary claims that are based on no testable foundation.
I am intuitive. Take conspiracy videos on YouTube. I reject 95% of them because they make extraordinary claims that are based on no testable foundation. Phat writes:
That's your basic problem. You should never stop questioning. ... I see no reason to question it more than I have."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So bring their arguments here and discuss them in your own words. I doubt if anyone will find any dirt on them."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Tell us what the responses are.
Lennox provided rational responses to these basic claims. Phat writes:
Then you have no business proclaiming it rational. I dont fully understand the argument...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You could tell us in your own words, which is what you're supposed to do anyway.
I have no written material from Vince Vitale, however, and thus can only share an audio podcast. Phat writes:
Just to remind you that I, for one, am ONLY interested in the Biblical arguments that apologists make. I have no use for philosophical mumbo-jumbo. I like Vince because he is philosophical rather than a scriptural literalist, which wouldn't impress you anyway."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, that's just stupid. You can't use philosophical arguments to out-flank the Bible. And just to remind you that I consider Biblical arguments and philosophical arguments as the same thing. I know you're afraid of both kinds of argument but you're not going to avoid them by moving the goalposts. Genesis 3. Defend the apologists' lies. The Prodigal Son. Defend your evil exclusivist theology."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You haven't learned anything until you can express it in your own words. That's why we have exams at the end of the school term instead of just giving you an A for reading the textbook. I know you will accuse me of not defending my argument in my own words, but I learn through studying the beliefs, words, and opinions of others."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I'm telling you what JESUS told you to do. And there's no "audacity" involved. It's a direct quote. AND it isn't a one-off either. It's a theme repeated many times in the Bible. And ringo has the sheer audacity to tell me what I as a Christian need to do. It's about trusting God to take care of you.
Phat writes:
The church at Rome did it. The woman with two mites did it. The disciples did it. In the Old Testament, the widow who fed Elijah did it. Today a lot of missionaries and clergymen do it. ... not more than a handful of Christians have done so or are even capable of doing so. Again, it's about trusting God to take care of you."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Everything isn't about taking care of you.
How is that taking care of me? How is being homeless taking care of me? Phat writes:
I'm not pushing anything. It's what Jesus said. You really do push this stuff to its theoretical limits.... And it isn't just theoretical: The church at Rome, Jesus Himself, His disciples, the woman with two mites, the widow who fed Elijah, missionaries, clergymen, ascetics from various religions...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Clearly He does. He doesn't expect us to piously imitate His poverty."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We have lots of problems coming up, climate change for example. The petty economic problems that you're worried about can be averted. But if you have any comments on whether or not the world is heading into a bigger storm than we think we now have, comment here."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
He killed Ananias and Sapphira for giving less. He did not directly condemn everyone else for giving less...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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