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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So do you mean to suggest that truth is not a person? Truth is a human construct that is only relevant within a particular mutually agreed social compact and that varies over time, specific instances and related mythos.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: My case is that there is a group of people on this planet that have actually had a communion with what they strongly believe (and claim to know) to be the One God Who is reachable through Jesus Christ. In other words, Jesus is God. I know where this will go. You will say that its fine that I believe that, but that so far there is no evidence that Jesus even existed how modern Bibles and Apologists portray Him to be. I will assert that for those of us who know Him, the evidence is within us. I know that you use that word ... You really are totally clueless what the word "evidence" means it seems. And yes, it is very true that like the child at the parade I do not see the Emperor's new clothes.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
PeoplesRepublicofChina writes: how many people have to be spontaneiously cured of cancer at lourdes before the skeptics take the knee? It would never be evidence of a miracle no matter how many alleged instances there were. Learn the basics. Learn what evidence is.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Learn Who God is.Learn the Source. Hint: He does not require evidence. Socratic masters do not define who the Warlord is, what He should do, what we should do, and what defines reality. They are taught or they are reprobates who refuse instruction. The error of your entire teaching is that humans define God and have a responsibility to do so. You have emphasized CONTENT over SOURCE. You need both. More utter nonsense from you Phat. Stop and think. Reread what I quoted from your post and underline the really stupid parts.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, science did check out the Shroud of Turin but even if it was not a fraud it would not be evidence that Jesus even existed or evidence of a miracle.
Learn the basics. See if you can find where you left your brain.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You keep trying to market a disgusting pathetic picayune psycopath of a god that is totally unworthy of any respect.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Come on, if you are gonna quote quote it all. The lord you market is a disgusting pathetic picayune psycopath of a god that is totally unworthy of any respect.
AbE: And yes, marketing Christ Crucified simply demeans and denigrates Jesus and makes his whole message totally worthless. It is disgusting that you pervert Jesus to such an extent. Edited by jar, : see AbE
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I see. Like I said, you love to denigrate Jesus and totally throw his teaching away. What you market is deplorable.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar markets a God whom was and is essentially created by human wisdom. Phat, Phat, Phat. Please stop lying. Really. Why do you constantly misrepresent and lie about what I post?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Have you not marketed GOD God and god?Have you not stated that GOD is unknowable while we are living? Have you not asserted that humans are all universally charged to do what we intrinsically know to do based on human wisdom? Have you not told me to throw God away? Think Phat, for once actually try to think. Which of the things you quoted support your lie that "jar markets a God whom was and is essentially created by human wisdom."? Why must you always lie Phat? Then if you can, point out the new examples of you lying in your recent post that is quoted above. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are still lying Phat.
Show me where I market a God at all? It is not me who markets GOD or God or god but you and the Apologists. And I support that assertion and have consistently supported that assertion by simply pointing out what YOU and the Apologists and the authors of the Bible actually have written. I believe you do not knowingly lie but only because you refuse to actually think about or even read what you write. I don't enjoy having to constantly and repeatedly point out your actions and behavior but decades of discussion with you has shown you simply are not capable of even seeing your own behavior. Then, the reaction from you is consistently to simply avoid addressing the questions asked of you. Which of the things you quoted support your lie that "jar markets a God whom was and is essentially created by human wisdom."? Of the specifics I was responding to ...
Phat writes: Have you not marketed GOD God and god?Have you not stated that GOD is unknowable while we are living? Have you not asserted that humans are all universally charged to do what we intrinsically know to do based on human wisdom? Have you not told me to throw God away? ... can you even see the new examples of you lying in what is quoted above?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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ringo writes: No, the Roman church did not know Jesus before He was crucified. Even Paul, who started the Roman church, did not know Jesus before He was crucified. They had the same source that you have, the supposed words of Jesus that were later recorded in the gospels. Sorta kinda not exactly. Peter likely knew Jesus directly and Peter was the head of the Church in Rome. Paul though had far more influence in creating "Christianity" and Paul never knew or met or even knew much about Jesus.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually in many instances it is quite clear who owns a church and who has the right to sell it. For example my church and the property is owned by the Diocese and the Bishop of the Diocese can sell it.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Back into the Diocese coffers.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually the finances are pretty much open and clear. The Diocese owns church property including any structures on the property. Most of the established Christian Sects do have pretty good financial controls and in fact the point you are making about the Roman Catholic Church hiding assets is a good example to support such control. In the major sects it is far harder to transfer monies into individuals pockets.
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