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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
I think we're seeing how creative religious institutions can get when there is a financial challenge to them. In the case of the RCC in the USA it's to the tune of at least $2bn so far.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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A couple decades ago I served on our church's board as we were merging two congregations to form a new one with new by-laws, etc.
Our minister strongly suggested that we include in the new by-laws a provision that excluded new members from voting in a congregational meeting; ie, only members who had been with the church for at least several months be allowed to vote. He described a scam in which, just before a congregational meeting, a church is suddenly flooded with a large number of new members who then vote to sell the church property to one particular buyer. Without by-laws to prevent that from happening, a church could not defend one of its most valuable assets.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That isn't "cursing", Pollyanna. That's frustration at the sheer stupidity of your position. And you confirm once again that you don't actually read what you respond to.
Your colorful cursing shows me all I need to know about your emotional opinion on the matter! Phat writes:
So you won't do what Jesus told you to do until an unbeliever does it first? You need an unbeliever to be an example to you?
... if you expect to charge me with listening to Jesus, you darn well better do the same thing and sell that house of yours and go live in the shelter with the spare change artists. Phat writes:
If you had ever read the Bible, you would know that it was God who promised to take care of us, like He took care of the widow who fed Elijah.
Perhaps universal socialism will take care of all of us, including the widow minus two mites. Phat writes:
Yes.
And how am I watering it down? By daring to keep my house for my shelter in life? Phat writes:
You're not questioning leftist politics. If you did ask some questions, you might learn something about it.
Or by questioning Leftist politics? Phat writes:
But you don't believe the message. You deny and scoff at it all the time.
How convenient it must be to hold the Christianss accountable to the message that they believe in while exempting yourself from that same message. Phat writes:
We've been through that, Pal. YOU live what YOU believe and I'll live what I believe.
If I give it all up *YOU* give it all up, Pal. Phat writes:
Learn something about socialism.
The difference is, the socialists will make it a mandatory law. Phat writes:
He sent him to Hell.
Jesus did not have the rich young ruler arrested for refusing to listen to Him. Phat writes:
jar reminded me that it was Peter who founded the Roman church. He did not deny that the members of the Roman church gave all they had or that Ananias and Sapphira were killed for holding back.
jar corrected both of us. Phat writes:
That makes it worse for you. Peter Knew Jesus and he had the spirit - and the Roman church believed it was necessary to give everything. Peter was not simply some Bozo with a bullhorn trying to get money from the crowd. He had the Spirit."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1262 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
our pope was a biologist by trade who believes in evolutionary theory.
he affirms what we as catholics believe that we are created beings, intelligently designed. the devil may have convinced some of you that you are not created, but byproducts of a random combustion that makes a man walking on water and rising from the dead look commonplace. Blessed Michael, archangel,defend us in the hour of conflict. Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil (may God restrain him, we humbly pray): and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God thrust Satan down to hell and with him those other wicked spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen has lucifer lied to you so thoroughly, atheists, to convince your boy-like minds, that you were not created, but byproducts of mere chance? without identity, soulless, is there a fate worse than hell? --perhaps there is, as implicated in the doctrine of atheism. Edited by Christ crucified?, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
... that you were not created, but byproducts of mere chance? without identity, soulless ... Don't let go now there boy. You're almost there. Just get rid of your god and the satan that made him and you too can join the real world!
... is there a fate worse than hell? In the reality of this universe your fate is to just cease to exist. No more you. Nothing. Just like there was before you. Nothing. No everlasting of eternal torture in some lake of fire. No wailing and gnashing of teeth. No unheard pleas for mercy and cries of anguish and pain for all time to come. Nothing ... for all time to come. Oblivion is not the happiest of prospects, not that we have any choice, but it sure beats the hell out of the crap your selling. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1262 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
hell is a better prospect than oblivion, at least you can know you exist.
satan convinced you you don't exist
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Uh, no, no it isn't.
Your satan has convinced you you are afraid of your own god. Anythin' but hell, Masser. I obey, Massar. Please don't hurt me Masser.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1262 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
what's that sound?
that's the deafening sound of your non-existence evcforum is a better god than your atheism at least you have a voice, a paltry one at best, though
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Im going to send you a private message. Look for it in this forum.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1262 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
rest assured life is good. really good. not sure i want to take it farther than that right now. flattered youre interested in the details of my personal life. charlie and i have been arguing about the perpetual virginity of mary to the point of exhaustion. hope that gives you an idea of where i'm at.
i will say this one is powerless aggainst the devil without the rosary. i make it a point to pray the sorrowful mysteries every day. i recently asked jesus to replace my guardian angel with st michael the archangel. i'm not sure the request was granted, but being that st michael destroys the devil at the end of time, i thought it a wise request.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Good grief!
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
One difference between you and I is that I have a definite need for a real relationship that transcends time and is essentially forever. Perhaps that need makes it easier for me to believe.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: One difference between you and I is that I have a definite need for a real relationship that transcends time and is essentially forever. Perhaps that need makes it easier for me to believe Sure, that's why gods are invented. But the reason you and others believe in a particular god is because you were born into a culture that had that god. That's all, just an accident of birth. I know that you think this god of yours talks to you but this same god says different things to the loonytunes Catholic. And of course different gods in different cultures say different things altogether. What do you think is going on here? Does every believer have their own god? If there's only one god why is he giving different and contradictory messages?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1262 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Christ is sending us a message. I love you. to this looney tunes catholic. to you the sophomoric atheist. to phat the evangelist.
he's sending us a message I love you. I love you so much I died for you. I love you so much I found the one thing worth dying for and it was you. I love you so much I lowered myself to the level of a human, so I can feel as you feel. So when my friend Lazarus died I could feel the pain of his sisters. And I could weep. I love you with the purest of all possible loves agape love, and roman catholic and protestants can affirm and attest to this love. people with profound disabilities attest to the love of Christ. it's not that our god is sending us conflicting messages. His message is simple. I love you. Exclamation point. Exclamation point. I AM and I love you until my sacred heart gives out, until I say it's finished, until I give my mother to my beloved disciple, until I can no longer breathe the same air as you with the same lungs as you. I love you, and my Divine Son is the ultimate evidence that God loves.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Yeh, he loves us so much that he kills us, every one of us. He loves some people even more, those he tortures before he kills them with starvation, cancers and exotic diseases.
And those that he doesn't love at all - because they were born in the wrong society or at the wrong time - he kills then condemns them to everlasting torture. Lovely guy your god. Just as well he's only a crazy masochist's fantasy. Are you going to explain to Phat why he's going to hell even though he thinks he's saved?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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