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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: Not true. He has it. Now, He may well save all of us should He so desire. Personally I believe that if such a reality as Hell ever existed or now exists, it was not intended to be a place for people. It was the result of the free choice of the angels who decided to break rank with God and the only reason humans would end up there is by following a different Vibe...or spirit and in so doing rejecting the Holy Spirit of the Risen Christ.
Tangle, you are missing the development here.We have agape love now. We all bask in the gentle warmth of god's infinite forgiving love. All is well. All is forgiven. Sin can be no more because all sin is forgiven by his infinite agape love. The prodigal son is welcomed back into loving arms once again. All shall ascend the golden stair, the blasphemous pedophile hand in hand with the jihadi. All humanity is finally embraced as one and all shall enjoy the life and the love eternal. Your tongue-in-cheek humor is intended to show us the silliness of organized religion and the idea of God, but it assumes that humans can remain the way that they are and have no worries. I believe that we need to change (or rather to allow the Holy Spirit to transform us) and that this all is designed to be a willful growth process.
Which means there is no longer a need for a church. What's a church going to do? Provide a sanctuary, teaching center and place of encouragement and physical help through food banks and rent vouchers. You will claim that this is the governments role.
Dissolve the church. Sell the assets. Give the proceeds to those poor whose agape love hasn't flourished into paying all the rent just yet. Not on my watch. I trust the governments ability to handle money even less than I do the church.
Like a Buddhist monk challenged to seek enlightenment you keep trying and praying to be christian but you just can't seem to levitate. Butt will just not leave the floor. I have always known that I could do little in and of myself. Granted I could be a good secular humanist and provide mental and physical comfort to needy people. But I seek more. I seek a connection with the galactic war between good and evil. Kinda like Star Wars.
Phat The Flying MonkTM is not going to happen. Your christian ideal is unrealistic, an exaggeration of a false reality and cannot be reached. Except, this case, divesting of all and walking the pauper's path in the glory of your god, is an example of false christian expectations. You cannot claim your seat in the choir by doing so because you realistically cannot do so. The expectation is not achievable. I knew that it never was. Thankfully Jesus did it. I know that I never could do it and likely would resist even trying. But this whole idea sprang from you guys and your interpretation of what Jesus wants from us(Christians) and conveniently not intended for you. For you could never do it either.
What other tenets of your faith are false, unobtainable? The promise of forever? Life after death? Infinite love, compassion and mercy? The resurrection? I could just as well ask you what tenets,if any, are true?
Those other leaps of faith are easy to make. They don't cost you anything to believe. But where do those expectations come from? Yes, you *do* bring up some challenging questions and issues. Thankfully for me, I dont believe that Christianity is graded entirely on works alone. I believe in Divine Grace. And that concept annoys a lot of people.
While examining the reality of the one tenet, Phat, there are several more for you to look at with the same critical eye. Almost there, Phat. Come over to the dark side. If I did, the whole place might light up. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Had to look the old comedian up.
How the comedian felt about God quote: Makes you wonder what turned him off to Catholicism. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: Now the question. Are all Non-Catholics going to hell? According to Catholic doctrine, yes. Ask whatsisname, he's being a bit reluctant at the moment but as it's your immortal soul at stake, I'm sure he'll put you right.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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I could just as well ask you what tenets,if any, are true? You know my answer to that: none of them. They're all embellished myth, Phat. Religious tenet and truth do not play well together.
I dont believe that Christianity is graded entirely on works alone. I believe in Divine Grace. And that concept annoys a lot of people. This is one of those tenets you may want to re-examine. You think you can grab the golden ticket by convincing yourself (let me say that again) by convincing yourself you are a true believer? Only you can gauge the depth of your doubts. If you're not convinced ... He will hear your mind! Believing the future of your eternal soul teeters on the edge of hell by the thin thread of your mood as swept between extremes on a constant basis by your blood sugar level has got to make life intense. That has got to cause ulcers.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Makes you wonder what turned him off to Catholicism. Catholicism.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
interesting that george carlin was roman catholic
i thought he was a jew. his chief objection to christ is that there is suffering in an imperfect world and it's god's fault. Christ was flayed on a stone. chunks of flesh came out of his back. Christ deeply communes with the suffering, in ways Carlin couldn't understand. perhaps his rejection of faith goes deeper into issues of parental resentment.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Actor-comedian George Carlin spent several summers at Camp Notre Dame on Spofford Lake (along with SNL director Dave "Wacky" Wilson and New Yorker cartoonist Leo Cullum-the camp was owned by the Cullum family) in his childhood; after his death in 2008, he was cremated and part of his ashes were scattered in the lake.[4][5]
interesting i spent many summers at a summer camp on this lake. it was sold to a protestant group by the time i spent summers there. those were hellacious summers. protestant christian raised teens can be some of the most vicious people you've ever seen. now i have this connection with george carlin in that we both spent a lot of time on spofford lake in new hampshire. i was raised in an irish catholic broken family too like carlin, with nypd connections but jesus christ and his mother mary have given me grace my entire life grace to believe now i pray for carlin and hope he finds eternal rest with our lord and eternal creator. Edited by Christ crucified?, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Here are some good articles to chew on, Chris.
7 Things Every Protestant Should Know About Catholicism 7 Things Every Catholic Should Know About Protestantism I would love to be a fly on the wall when you and Charlie get into some of your debates on these matters. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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i thought he was a jew. Racist much there Whatsitcatholicwhoever? Just can't help it can you. You probably don't see it. Anyway ... Carlin is dead. There is nothing left of him in this universe except our remembrances. Your god is fiction. It did not, does not, will not ever exist. Neither one can help you justify your faux-suffering in this world.
Christ was flayed on a stone. chunks of flesh came out of his back. You love that picture, don’t you. You can see the blood gushing down the rent flesh splattering on the stone. You can feel the pain of each lash. You can hear the desperate cries of anguish. This suffering is such sweet sorrow for the catholic soul. Keep the suffering utmost in the catholic heart. Suffering, pain, anguish, blood are the bedrock of the catholic psyche. Such a disgusting creed you profess.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
morally bankrupt, solipsistic, lying fraud of a poster you are.
first you compare china's human rights abuses to the detainment camps on the border now you're calling me racist because i thought someone was jewish? that makes me racist? has that never happened before in history i thought brando was italian before i found out he was irish. does that make me racist?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
first you compare china's human rights abuses to the detainment camps on the border Wrong poster. You really need to keep track of your responses. I never compared anything to any chinese camps. The only comparisons I make are your religion to the disgusting blood cults that all religions spread over the mind of men. That comparison, btw, is not favorable.
that makes me racist? Didn't think you would see it.
i thought brando was italian before i found out he was irish. does that make me racist? The accident of ones birth makes no difference to the talent. If you are discussing heritage that's one thing. If not then noting such has no meaning except to someone who takes such things into account when judging people. Racists. Like in the 70's when the newspapers finally stopped identifying every black in all of their stories whether such info was significant or not. They stopped because the white power structure finally realized that this was blatantly systemically racist. Since in this case it has no bearing on anything we humans do noting his heritage means nothing. Your noting your perceptions of his heritage shows you find significance paying special attention to his race /nationality. Weather by hateful intent or systemic ignorance you are a racist. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Amateur hour on evcforum.
Perpetually.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
atheists believe there is no god yet they cannot prove that something can come from nothing.
it can't. and just regarding the human face or visage. there is no explanation of that. how our face is neatly organized like a child making a face on his plate out of carrots. the atheistic position is untenable. it's not that there could be a creator there has to be life cannot compose itself intelligently out of inert matter, just as inert matter can't compose itself atheism is a fabrication the greatest lie satan ever told was that you were not created and you believed him. Edited by Christ crucified?, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The catechism of a simpleton.
Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
it's easier for you to believe i'm a simpleton because i'm a threat to your inept belief system. the truth is that i'm near genius level. summa cum laude and everything else.
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