I've always argued that Ananias and Saphira essentially killed themselves,
Yeah, those early christians didn't have anything over Chicago mob bosses.
"You make the donation to our church?" "Yes, I will. I have property out east I can sell." "We accept. And when you sell this property we will take ALL the proceeds. Every mite ... or you and wifey here git made dead. Capisce?"
The apologist was being a bit vague, but was not lying. It is not simply the action of giving all that you have away to the poor that determines your salvation. It is following Jesus. (and not just His message either)
Note how the rich young ruler never offered to follow Jesus to begin with. What do you think would have happened had Jesus simply said to him, "There is one thing you need to do. Follow me."
That may well be all that is needed for some to find eternal life. But not this rich one. Notice also that Jesus didn't say "how hard it is for anyone who isn't fully broke to find eternal life." Did Jesus command Mary & Martha to sell everything they had? How about the Roman Centurion? How about Zaccheus?Clearly not.
Clearly you don't understand the contexts because you don't understand Jesus. All that you took was the message. You just like the idea of rich people giving everything away to the poor people.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” - Criss Jami, Killosophy
You just like the idea of rich people giving everything away to the poor people.
Regardless of your apologist's contortions with the syntax of scripture, that is precisely what your god commands you to do ... in multiple places throughout the gospels. So often is this command given to those who would follow him it is rather dishonest to try to twist it into some kind of suggestion. It is a direct command.
The apologist was being a bit vague, but was not lying.
Nothing vague about it. It was a flat-out bold-faced lie:
Rich young ruler: "Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?"
Jesus: "One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."
Apologist: "Even if the rich young ruler would have given away his riches and followed Christ, he wouldn’t have earned his salvation."
He contradicted Jesus directly and completely. There's no getting around that.
It is not simply the action of giving all that you have away to the poor that determines your salvation.
Jesus said it is.
It is following Jesus.
That IS following Jesus. Literally. It is what He did.
Note how the rich young ruler never offered to follow Jesus to begin with.
He asked what he had to do to go to heaven.
What do you think would have happened had Jesus simply said to him, "There is one thing you need to do. Follow me."
He would have understood what Jesus meant. He would not have expected to "follow" Jesus on his chauffeur-driven camel with his retinue of servants.
Did Jesus command Mary & Martha to sell everything they had?
Jesus was not a one-trick pony. He didn't repeat one thing ad nauseam.
How about the Roman Centurion? How about Zaccheus?
How about the early church? Why did they do what Jesus said if it was "clear" that He didn't mean it for everybody. The point of giving up everything was to put your trust in God, not in your own riches.
Clearly you don't understand the contexts because you don't understand Jesus.
I have discussed the contexts in some detail. You have not. Before you can brag about your lofty levels of understanding, you need to go back and answer your myriad of unanswered posts.
All that you took was the message.
The message is what matters.
"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing