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JonF
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Message 1784 of 2370 (878869)
07-06-2020 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1762 by dad
07-05-2020 12:50 PM


Re: We don't ASSUME the past was the same
you don't seem to accept proofs outside of science.
I'll gladly look at "proofs outside of science" . You haven't offered any.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1792 of 2370 (878888)
07-06-2020 3:39 PM
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07-06-2020 1:48 PM


Re: We don't ASSUME the past was the same
You are free to believe those... but they are not objective evidence. There are many other explanations for the unusual events described in those writings.
For example, exaggerating the attributes of one's ancestors is a common pract throughout the world, and could be the explanation for the long lives recorded in the Bible.

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JonF
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Message 1806 of 2370 (879007)
07-09-2020 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1805 by dad
07-09-2020 1:56 PM


Re: Historical record evidence
You have no evidence of a *same* nature in the past
Mindlessly repeating that doesn't make it true.
Ignoring the evidence we have posted is profoundly dishonest.

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JonF
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Message 1812 of 2370 (879034)
07-10-2020 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1809 by dad
07-09-2020 6:09 PM


Re: Historical record evidence
It is warranted to repeat truth that is demonstrated repeatedly
You haven't demonstrated anything. All you've posted are unsupported assertions.
You cannot provide evidence of this sams state past you cite
I and others provided evidence. Ignoring it does not make it go away.
The Constancy of Constants, Part 2
The author is a physicist.
quote:
Frankly, physicists are not, for the most part, interested in silly creationist arguments. But they are interested in basic questions such as whether physical constants or laws change in time -- especially if such changes are proposed by such a great physicist as Dirac. As a result, there has been a great deal of experimental effort to search for such changes. A nice (technical) summary is given by Sisterna and Vucetich, Physical Review D41 (1990) 1034 and Physical Review D44 (1991) 3096; a more recent reference is Uzan, Reviews of Modern Physics 75 (2003) 403, available electronically at http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0205340 . Among the phenomena they look at are:
  • searches for changes in the radius of Mercury, the Moon, and Mars (these would change because of changes in the strength of interactions within the materials that they are formed from);
  • searches for long term ("secular") changes in the orbits of the Moon and the Earth --- measured by looking at such diverse phenomena as ancient solar eclipses and coral growth patterns;
  • ranging data for the distance from Earth to Mars, using the Viking spacecraft;
  • data on the orbital motion of a binary pulsar PSR 1913+16;
  • observations of long-lived isotopes that decay by beta decay (Re 187, K 40, Rb 87) and comparisons to isotopes that decay by different mechanisms;
  • the Oklo natural nuclear reactor (mentioned in another posting);
  • experimental searches for differences in gravitational attraction between different elements (Eotvos-type experiments);
  • absorption lines of quasars (fine structure and hyperfine splittings);
  • laboratory searches for changes in the mass difference between the K0 meson and its antiparticle;
  • searches for geological evidence of "exotic" decays, such as double beta decay of Uranium 238 or the decay of Osmium to Rhenium by electron emission, which are impossible with the present values of basic physical constants but would become possible if these changed;
  • laboratory comparisons of atomic clocks that rely on different atomic processes (e.g., fine structure vs. hyperfine transitions);
  • analysis of the effect of varying "constants" on primordial nucleosynthesis in the very early Universe.
While it is not obvious, each of these observations is sensitive to changes in the physical constants that control radioactive decay. For example, a change in the strength of weak interactions (which govern beta decay) would have different effects on the binding energy, and therefore the gravitational attraction, of different elements. Similarly, such changes in binding energy would affect orbital motion, while (more directly) changes in interaction strengths would affect the spectra we observe in distant stars.

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JonF
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Message 1813 of 2370 (879035)
07-10-2020 10:26 AM
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07-09-2020 1:07 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
As the moderator said, post the details and evidence. (not a reading assignment)
I have. See just above.
Your turn.

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JonF
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Message 1823 of 2370 (879099)
07-11-2020 11:23 AM
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07-10-2020 2:02 PM


Re: Historical record evidence
Not one item of evidence. Didn't you read Admin's message?

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JonF
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Message 2365 of 2370 (882234)
09-15-2020 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2360 by mike the wiz
09-14-2020 6:52 PM


Floods ain't flumes.

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