Miracle Of The Sun & Other Musings

No Phat, I was never taught that. Stop posting porkies.The only possible conclusion that might be evidence based is that all God(s) & god(s) that have ever been discussed have been products solely of the human imagination. How else can you explain the tens of thousands of gods humans have believed in or the fact that even in the Bible we see constantly evolving descriptions of god, each of which is mutually exclusive from all the other god characters in the stories.I was taught to think Phat and that is the difference. I was not taught to shut my mind down and simply accept utter nonsense. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. No Phat, I accept the evidence that even in the Bible there are different characters call Jesus and each presents the Jesus that that author created. No Phat. All the evidence supports the idea that humans universally make the Gods they create. But feel free to present the evidence or even reasoned argument that might refute the evidence. Which Jesus Phat? Which of the vastly different versions of Jesus found in the New Testament is the real Jesus?Evidence or reasoned argument Phat. Present evidence or at least some reasoned argument.

I can't fathom how anybody could think that makes sense.We know that the human mind interacts directly with matter - e.g. it can be influences by drugs. A vastly more complex mind that doesn't depend on matter, such as a god's, can not be anything more than wishful thinking on your part. I don't subscribe to any kind of philosophical mumbo-jumbo. I just deal with what we know objectively to exist.

Of Course he is. He's one of God's Cabinet ministers. (See the Book of Job.)

On the contrary, that "battle" is tiny enough to fit in your mind, where it came from.

Well for certain the universe does not operate on code or anything remotely like it. That was ruled out by the Kochen-Specker and Bell theorems in the 50s and 60s and the experiments confirming them which proved the notion of the universe being in anyway like "code" was false.Code suggests something like a computer program, i.e. has a state that is then updated into a new state by some rules. This was the Newtonian-Laplacian paradigm where the "state" went by various names and the "rules/algorithms" were known as the "laws of nature". Physics dropped this whole paradigm in the late 1920s and per the theorems above it was shown that it will never be the paradigm again.Edited by Son Goku, : Clarity of timeline

So how do you explain that I have "seen" the supernatural? Not once but several times? Stage Hypnosis?

That’s been explained to you many times but you're not interested because you've seen god.What I'd like you to at least consider are the experiences of other people that have seen god but have radically different experiences and even different gods. How can you explain that?

Just because other people see "other gods" does not explain anything except fake gods (actual demons posing as gods). Just as Moses was trumped by the magicians who duplicated his signs and wonders to Pharaoh. But of course I will never convince you...you think its all a matter of cultural upbringing and not actual power and evidence.The only way you people here might be convinced is if you yourselves actually experience it. I suspect that even then you would search for any other explanation except that you actually experienced it.

What are the tests anyone can perform to tell that what you experienced was not actually demons and a fake god!

Do you read my posts at all? I have told you several times that I have had "experiences" too. The only difference is that I don't call them "supernatural". I call them "unexplained".Neither you nor I has enough understanding of the natural to decide that something "can not" be explained. It's far more likely that WE can't explain it but somebody else can. That's one possibility.

One more time: I HAVE experienced "it". Well OF COURSE we're going to search for a sensible explanation before we swallow your nonsensical explanation.

Of course I would. If I was convinced that I had an actual supernatural experience then I would be sure something was terribly wrong with my head and that I need to seek professional help.

interesting. i was using code as a metaphor for however God creates the superstructures that manifest our reality.it seems an impossibility that matter and life can just sprout out of nothing, no mechanism, no instruction. of course, humans create. so we extend the metaphor to our deity. and maybe it is that simple. we create because we are made in image of the creator.

do atheists think that we are in essence our own creator? How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery?

So what is it about your experience that convinces you that yours is the correct experience? How can you tell?It's not just the gods of other religions that are convincing other people that they are right and you are wrong, the god of Christians is telling different stories to its different sects and, when it comes down to it, he's actually saying different things to each individual. Often very contradictory things.He's telling wtfishisnametoday that he's going to heaven but you are not, for example. You never take him up on that but if you believe the voices, one of you is right and one of you is wrong (or, of course, you're both wrong). I'm giving you the evidence that what you think is happening is not happening the way you think it is. But I do understand that delusions are rarely if ever cured by facts and evidence. When dowsers are tested and shown that they can't detect what they claim to be able to detect, it never convinces them, they always have an excuse. As you do - other people's voices are false gods or demons, but yours is real. I, and others, have told you many, many times that we have experienced similar things. I guess you 'know' that we haven't, not like yours, because you're special.