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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Why would you ask him what atheists think? It’s not as if he knows or would bother to find out.
Evolution has given us certain capabilities. It is true that we can foster and develop them but the basics come down to us from our biological history.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: do atheists think that we are in essence our own creator? How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery? Why are you asking another nutjob believer what an atheist thinks? Do you think that he has any chance knowing? Any at all?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined:
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as offensive as it sounds, i am of the opinion that atheism is a mental illness
charlie shared a curious anecdote. according to his research into near death experiences, atheists in hell do not actually believe there is no god. they had consciously lied to themselves their entire lives on earth.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
it would be better there be no god at all than a god without the sacraments
i don't know how you get by without the sacraments, phat. i really don't. when one has a soul-yearning for christ, a true thirst, confession brings us into communion. according to rad trad catholics, we gain no merit from our prayers when in a state of mortal sin. life without the interplay of christ and his dearly beloved mother is heartache.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Since your opinion is founded in your fantasies if there is mental illness it is in you. Personally I just think your mind is warped by your devotion to Satan.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
what'sisname? writes: as offensive as it sounds, i am of the opinion that atheism is a mental illness There's nothing offensive about mental illness except why your loving god would inflict it on his creation. He loves us, my arse. But of course, the madman always knows that he's right and the rest of the world is wrong; sadly, our institutions are full of them.
charlie shared a curious anecdote. according to his research into near death experiences, atheists in hell do not actually believe there is no god. they had consciously lied to themselves their entire lives on earth. Congratulations, this is the most fanatically lunatic thing I've heard for ages.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Son Goku Inactive Member
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The problem is all of this is very vague. What exactly does "superstructure", "matter" and "instructions" mean here.
Depending on how you define things we already know of material events with no cause, or that matter doesn't capture all of reality or that matter itself has the power to create events out of nothing. So you'd have to be more specific in what all these terms actually mean in order to start discussing what we know of reality. That's not to mention this engages in the old dichotomy of the only options being:A certain vague kind materialist reductionism or Some form of Christian monotheism Not only are there other religious views but there is also various other physicalist views or non-physicalist and yet still not religious views. Edited by Son Goku, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Oh wow. We have a religious nutjob with another religious nutjob for an alter ego.
This is not good. Usually the alter ego is an altered personality with different ideas except in this case it's an exact image of the base nutjob but with the ability to talk with dead atheists. This is well outside the 3rd standard deviation under the curve of mental defect and is the territory where we find violent voices picking up guns and shooting people. Someone needs to inform the local authorities. Both of these dudes need to be on the "Crazy Person - Potential Murderer" watch list. Their posts and actions need to be recorded as future evidence of how religion compelled them to fall off the deep end and perpetrate yet another reich-wing mass shooting of the innocent.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Of course not.
do atheists think that we are in essence our own creator? Phat writes:
Evolution. How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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You have a good point. I cant simply expect everyone to drop their pursuit of answers in deference to my dogma. It could well be that trying to teach others to imitate my experiences is in fact harmful to them even if my dogma were true.
I got on the whole "physicalism" kick because of PaulK, whom I respect for his due diligence at getting to the bottom of these things. I used to think that he went out of his way to remain an atheist and that simply taking a leap of faith would open his skepticism up a bit...but this of course assumes my belief to be true. I have always respected your wisdom and am glad to be able to communicate. Thanks for taking the time to put up with we "nutjobs"... "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
That sounds too much like a canned answer. You claim to have experienced many of the same (or similar) unexplained events that I have, and you too easily rejected them...as does AZ Paul3, simply because you already conclude that they simply cant happen.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
That's it!!!! Let the government play God. What a novel idea!
As long as the "god" they represent is all inclusive and saves everybody! Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I didn't reject them. I put them in the "I don't know" file. You claim to have experienced many of the same (or similar) unexplained events that I have, and you too easily rejected them...as does AZ Paul3, simply because you already conclude that they simply cant happen. And I didn't conclude that they can't happen. They did happen. I concluded that there is no reason to accept your explanation."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
ringo writes: Phat writes:
Evolution. How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery? We can even see birds and bonobos and dolphin and elephants show creativity and discovery. It is not even something unique to humans.
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