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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Seriously? You have to ask that question? So let me get this straight. Only those who claim to believe in Jesus are supposed to give it all up? The rich young ruler asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Jesus answered, "Sell what you have and give to the poor." If I don't believe I need to be saved, how the @#$%ing hell does that apply to me? If I don't believe Jesus ever existed, why the @#$%ing hell would I do what He supposedly said? And if YOU believe He was real, why the @#$%ing hell don't YOU do what He said?
Phat writes:
No, the Roman church did not know Jesus before He was crucified. Even Paul, who started the Roman church, did not know Jesus before He was crucified. They had the same source that you have, the supposed words of Jesus that were later recorded in the gospels.
The early believers appeared to be 100% all in. They knew the power of the Risen Christ as well as knowing Him personally before He was crucified. Phat writes:
How is that an excuse for you to keep watering it down?
Christianity was already becoming watered down... Phat writes:
It wasn't "advice". It was what he MUST do to be saved. And as to the edict that you often push to sell all that one has, might I remind you that it was a rich young ruler who was advised to do such a thing. And as I have told you before, it isn't about how much you give. It's about how much you hold back. The lady who gave two mites held back nothing. The widow who fed Elijah held back nothing. Ananias and Sapphira held back and they were killed for it.
Phat writes:
That's obviously false. The Roman church. Nowhere is the implication that anyone of modest means should give up all they have and become poor simply to appease Jesus. Edited by ringo, : Added last quote."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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jar writes:
I stand corrected. Peter likely knew Jesus directly and Peter was the head of the Church in Rome."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That isn't "cursing", Pollyanna. That's frustration at the sheer stupidity of your position. And you confirm once again that you don't actually read what you respond to.
Your colorful cursing shows me all I need to know about your emotional opinion on the matter! Phat writes:
So you won't do what Jesus told you to do until an unbeliever does it first? You need an unbeliever to be an example to you?
... if you expect to charge me with listening to Jesus, you darn well better do the same thing and sell that house of yours and go live in the shelter with the spare change artists. Phat writes:
If you had ever read the Bible, you would know that it was God who promised to take care of us, like He took care of the widow who fed Elijah.
Perhaps universal socialism will take care of all of us, including the widow minus two mites. Phat writes:
Yes.
And how am I watering it down? By daring to keep my house for my shelter in life? Phat writes:
You're not questioning leftist politics. If you did ask some questions, you might learn something about it.
Or by questioning Leftist politics? Phat writes:
But you don't believe the message. You deny and scoff at it all the time.
How convenient it must be to hold the Christianss accountable to the message that they believe in while exempting yourself from that same message. Phat writes:
We've been through that, Pal. YOU live what YOU believe and I'll live what I believe.
If I give it all up *YOU* give it all up, Pal. Phat writes:
Learn something about socialism.
The difference is, the socialists will make it a mandatory law. Phat writes:
He sent him to Hell.
Jesus did not have the rich young ruler arrested for refusing to listen to Him. Phat writes:
jar reminded me that it was Peter who founded the Roman church. He did not deny that the members of the Roman church gave all they had or that Ananias and Sapphira were killed for holding back.
jar corrected both of us. Phat writes:
That makes it worse for you. Peter Knew Jesus and he had the spirit - and the Roman church believed it was necessary to give everything. Peter was not simply some Bozo with a bullhorn trying to get money from the crowd. He had the Spirit."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It doesn't really matter whether Ananias and Sapphira were in Rome or Jerusalem or Denver. They defied Jesus and they were punished for it. Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
atheists believe there is no god yet they cannot prove that something can come from nothing.
By that logic, God can't exist.it can't. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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the truth is that i'm near genius level. summa cum laude and everything else.
I use my Nobel Prize as a paperweight."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I can't fathom how anybody could think that makes sense. Personally, I always say that it makes more sense to me that Mind came before Matter. We know that the human mind interacts directly with matter - e.g. it can be influences by drugs. A vastly more complex mind that doesn't depend on matter, such as a god's, can not be anything more than wishful thinking on your part.
Phat writes:
I don't subscribe to any kind of philosophical mumbo-jumbo. I just deal with what we know objectively to exist. But your whole premise of "In The Beginning, Chemicals" is an ode to Physicalism otherwise known as Materialism."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Of Course he is. He's one of God's Cabinet ministers. (See the Book of Job.) Even Satan is useful to God, however."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
On the contrary, that "battle" is tiny enough to fit in your mind, where it came from. Satan has a bag of tricks and the battle in the supernatural realm between good and evil is much bigger and more powerful than any rational scientifically minded person could ever guess."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Do you read my posts at all? I have told you several times that I have had "experiences" too. The only difference is that I don't call them "supernatural". I call them "unexplained". So how do you explain that I have "seen" the supernatural? Not once but several times? Neither you nor I has enough understanding of the natural to decide that something "can not" be explained. It's far more likely that WE can't explain it but somebody else can.
Phat writes:
That's one possibility. Stage Hypnosis?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
One more time: I HAVE experienced "it".
The only way you people here might be convinced is if you yourselves actually experience it. Phat writes:
Well OF COURSE we're going to search for a sensible explanation before we swallow your nonsensical explanation. I suspect that even then you would search for any other explanation except that you actually experienced it."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Of course not.
do atheists think that we are in essence our own creator? Phat writes:
Evolution. How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I didn't reject them. I put them in the "I don't know" file. You claim to have experienced many of the same (or similar) unexplained events that I have, and you too easily rejected them...as does AZ Paul3, simply because you already conclude that they simply cant happen. And I didn't conclude that they can't happen. They did happen. I concluded that there is no reason to accept your explanation."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Genesis 1:9 says that God made the dry land appear. It doesn't say He made it. The creation stories suggest that He started with existing matter, just like we do. A scientist got into an argument with God...The scientist said, "We have decided we no longer need you, as we can create anything in the laboratory just as easy as you can create something." God said, "OK let's see who can create a human from dirt." The scientist reached down and gathered up some dirt... God said, "Hey! Get your own dirt!" "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So why are YOU so much more enlightened than they were? You take it for granted that YOU are inspired by God. Why couldn't the writers of Genesis be inspired too? Why are YOU right and they are wrong? the authors had no concept of a universal Creator or of anything other than the ground they walked on."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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