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Author Topic:   Be It Stealth or Cyber: We Are In A War With China
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Message 31 of 43 (882220)
09-15-2020 3:05 PM
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09-15-2020 2:33 PM


Re: Old News and learn the basics Phat
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The government controls the church. Considering that there are 1.3 billion Chinese and at best 200 million Christians, less than half who actually know God, the charge that China has no real religious freedom is successfully presented.

LOL

Again, you assert that there are any Christians that know God, yet no one has ever offered any evidence or even reasoned argument that that is fact.

Are there Christian or Jewish churches in China?

If there is even one such entity then religious freedom has been established.


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Message 32 of 43 (882223)
09-15-2020 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Fuckdamods
09-15-2020 2:16 PM


china must be stopped

Reality check. Not going to happen.

The chinese are too integral to the world's function.

They WILL become more economically, militarily, politically involved in world affairs and, like America in the later half of the 20th century, will become a world leader in ALL facets of world affairs. They WILL have their say.

As usual with catholics, they want blood and suffering. The right needs a new boogeyman and china fits the emotional bill. They want a holy patriotic war. The reich-wing will provide the bombs. You catholics will hype up the gore.

The only thing we can do (should do, must do) is work with them and, together, influence the rest of the world into better conditions.

It is written into the future. The new guys are grown up and are walking the world stage. It is time we embrace the reality and act as the adult in the room, not the king.


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Message 33 of 43 (882224)
09-15-2020 4:13 PM
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09-15-2020 3:05 PM


Re: Old News and learn the basics Phat
If there is even one such entity then religious freedom has been established.

If a black man is elected president then racial equality has been established and racism in America is no more.


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Message 34 of 43 (882226)
09-15-2020 4:52 PM
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09-15-2020 4:13 PM


Re: Old News and learn the basics Phat
Yes, as far a legality goes.

But changing people is even harder than changing governments.


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Message 35 of 43 (882227)
09-15-2020 5:29 PM
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09-15-2020 12:33 PM


Re: Old News and learn the basics Phat
They insist that the State should be given homage before any God.

Just like Trump.

I recently heard someone explain the difference between a religion and a cult. In a religion, your god died for you. In a cult, you are expected to die for your god.

Welcome to Cult 45.


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Message 36 of 43 (882228)
09-15-2020 6:18 PM
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09-15-2020 4:52 PM


Re: Old News and learn the basics Phat
The Chinese constitution (1982) grants religious freedom. That means nothing.

What the government practices is religious tolerance, tolerance of those religious groups that do not disrupt, challenge or detract from the absolute control of the society by the party. Regardless of the law the reality is that there is no religious freedom in china. You have no right to religious activity. Religious activity is tolerated at the pleasure of the party.

In the USofA we have declared racial equality officially legally since 1964. As you say, changing people is even harder than changing governments. In reality the USofA does not have racial equality. We got us a long way to go.

Establishing a church in china DOES NOT establish religious freedom in china. Electing a black president in the USofA DOES NOT establish racial equality here.

Sorry, jar, holding to some official legal tenet means nothing while the reality is so starkly opposite.

So, no. There is no freedom of religion in china regardless how many churches may exist. No, there is no racial equality in the USofA regardless of how many blacks we elect.


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Message 37 of 43 (882229)
09-15-2020 6:20 PM
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09-15-2020 2:16 PM


i have yet to see evidence that trump's detainment camps are remotely similar to the work and genocide camps in china where they hold uyghur muslims.

Trump is too moronic to do anything with German or Chinese efficiency (plus China, basically being capitalism on steroids, cashes in on the international market for transplant organs).

Side note FWIW: Er ist Wieder Da (one English translation: "Look Who's Back"). Hitler mysteriously returns to modern-day Berlin and stages a come-back. The book came out in 2014 and the movie in 2015, so it was before our 2016 presidential campaign, but the movie came to Netflix (no longer there) after that campaign. Hitler's first speech on German TV included his telling the audience that Germany was hurtling towards a chasm and only he could see that and only he could save them from that catastrophe. Sound familiar? Watching that movie, I kept seeing parallel after parallel between what Hitler was saying (obviously researched from his actual speeches) and what Trump actually says.

Remember, Trump is too stupid to come up with anything original. So of course he copied from Hitler who famously said of himself, "Gott! Ich konnte aber reden!" ("OMG, but I could speak!"). Unfortunately for Trump, Hitler was a far better speaker.

Rather, for a concentration camp comparison look to the British concentration camps in South Africa. During the Boer War, while the men of the Dutch settlers (AKA Afrikaans) were in the countryside fighting against the British, their women and children were rounded up and put into concentration camps. Where 26,000 women and children died, mainly from malnutrition and dysentary, but thousands died from a measles epidemic that swept through the camps.

So just how is that different from our own concentration camps under Trump?

china must be stopped

And what about Russia?

Whatever-your-name-is-this-minute (you change your skin so often, are you the talking snake from the Bible? At any rate, we all know to never take seriously what you with your forked tongue say), you are using the same Russian disinformation being fed to GOP senators and to Trump (and then to Faux Noise and from there back to Trump).

Russia did indeed affect our 2016 election to get their orange-haired boy, Trump, into office to do Putin's bidding (which we have seen him do repeatedly). Russia is doing that yet again right now, but Trump is doing all he can to keep the US from defending itself from Russia (which is basically Trump's only chance for reelection which he desperately needs to avoid being indicted and prosecuted for his many crimes) and instead deflecting our attention to China (yes, you miserable little lemming, you let your attention be distracted by that bright shiny decoy).

China, the land of Sun Tzu and his Art of War, is playing the long game. Gathering intelligence but also tons of technology and databases along with the new tech to work with those tons of data.

OTOH, we have Russia who uses cyber warfare as a branch of their other forms of warfare. As they did against Ukraine by taking down their power grid, twice, and interfering with their elections. China's actions, while troublesome, do not pose the vastly greater immediate threat of Russia's actions. Yet you are strangely silent about Russia. Or rather not so strangely, since you have drunk the Kool-Aid of Trump's Cult 45.

and he sings to the highest bidder

Which describes Trump to a T.

 
Have you ever heard of that traitor congressman, Devin Nevins? He comes from a rural district in California where the only pressing political issue is water rights. As long as he can support his constituents over water rights, he is free to betray America and support Russia to his heart's content.

You are like Nevins' constituents. You have one issue and one issue only: abortion. As long as a politician tells you that they support that one burning issue for you, you will defend them to the death despite all the other anti-American BS they pull.

Didn't anyone ever tell you how Satan works? He finds out that one thing that you hold so dear above all other things, promises you that one thing, and from that point on he owns your soul!

Congrats! You have sold your soul to Satan!


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Message 38 of 43 (882230)
09-15-2020 6:31 PM
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09-15-2020 4:09 PM


AZPaul3 writes:

Reality check. Not going to happen.

The chinese are too integral to the world's function.

They WILL become more economically, militarily, politically involved in world affairs and, like America in the later half of the 20th century, will become a world leader in ALL facets of world affairs. They WILL have their say.

If history is any guide, there is a strong correlation between prosperity and liberalism. The richer China becomes the stronger they will lean towards western liberalism. People who have wealth have something to lose, and that makes them less willing to risk that wealth in conflicts. People also need to realize that wealth is not a zero sum game.

I am also getting tired of making everything into a war. We have the war on drugs, war on poverty, and the war on Christmas. All three are still around and doing fine, and always will be around. The word "war" is nearly meaningless, ranking just above complete apathy.


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Message 39 of 43 (882232)
09-15-2020 6:39 PM
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09-15-2020 6:18 PM


Re: Old News and learn the basics Phat
AZPaul3 writes:

So, no. There is no freedom of religion in china regardless how many churches may exist. No, there is no racial equality in the USofA regardless of how many blacks we elect.

The issue in the US is that the people living in the US are intolerant. The laws are there. It is "us" not the "US" that are racial bigots. The laws (until Trump) were definitely created to move people towards racial equality but WE and American Citizens have decided to flaunt the laws and practice racial and sexual and demographic and economic inequality.

It's not the "US" it is the "us".

Until Trump we were making progress but TRUMPism is, I must admit, instilling legal governmental racial, sexual, demographic and economic inequality.


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Message 40 of 43 (882233)
09-15-2020 7:20 PM
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Re: Old News and learn the basics Phat
It's not the "US" it is the "us".

No, jar. We IS the USofA. The reality of our mark in this world is not the grand platitudes we write into our laws but what we actually do to people.

Yes, it is us, the USofA, that is racist and withholds equality from our citizens. Yeah, we have a lot of good things going for us on the rights and freedom side of reality but race relations is not one of them.


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Message 41 of 43 (882236)
09-15-2020 8:49 PM
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09-15-2020 6:20 PM


didn't know you could take cnn and pedo joe straight to the vein...

Edited by Christ crucified?, : No reason given.


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Message 42 of 43 (882238)
09-15-2020 11:50 PM
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09-15-2020 8:49 PM


Grow up
You're on the razors edge of a permanent suspension.

Adminnemooseus

ps to all:

Take any discussion of this message to General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')

Added by edit: Message 41 (the version I saw before posting message 42) was -

Ur not annoying, insipid, aggressive, or much of anything. Just flat out dumb. I didn't know you
Could take CNN straight to the vein. Complete dumbass. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Mentally on the level with pedo Joe

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added by edit.


Or something like that©.

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Message 43 of 43 (882353)
09-18-2020 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Pressie
09-15-2020 10:50 AM


As a foreigner to both the US and China, I think that the US system is not really better than the Chinese governmental system.
As an example, in North Carolina, a state I used to visit quite often, the Democratic Party got a substantially more votes in 2018 than the Republicans. Yet, the Republicans dominate the State legislature with many more seats. Gerrymandering and all that.

That's the opposite of how democracy is supposed to work.

So, the US and Chinese systems are not too different.

At least the Chinese are honest. That can't be said about the American system.

They are completely different in just about every conceivable way. Xi has made sure that there aren't any elections concerning him being president for life, so its kind of funny that you act like there is parity when there is none. Xi is a dictator and will never leave office until his death.

Secondly, the reason the electoral college was created was precisely instituted to protect against corruption. We here in America know that a Direct Democracy is a mobocracy; its two wolves and a lamb voting over what will be for dinner.


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