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Panda
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Message 106 of 118 (618605)
06-04-2011 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Crazynutsx
06-04-2011 6:46 AM


Re: reply
Crazynutsx writes:

its funny that you are complaining about me yet, i started a thread on macro evolution and no one has botherd to respond to it evidence wise ?


Where is the incentive to address the points you've raised about macro-evolution?

This is what I would expect to happen:
i) We will post an explanation detailing what is incorrect.
ii) You will post a picture with the caption: "This shows macro-evolution".
iii) We will ask what the picture is of.
iv) You will avoid answering the question.
v) We will ask again.
vi) You will get upset.
vii) We will ask again.
viii) You will say: "I'll look in to the subject when I get time."

TBH: You could save everyone a lot of time by just typing macro-evolution in to Google.

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Message 107 of 118 (624219)
07-16-2011 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Scienctifictruths
06-04-2011 5:53 AM



So I'm assuming this site is really not worth the time and effort? Oh how I long to actually debate issues with someone intelligent. I'm becoming more and more convinced that these Creationist are semi-retarded.....

You could try Evolutionary Fairy Tale forums (http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php?), but you'll run into mostly ridiculous PRATTs and likely get banned within a few weeks.

I had some decent discussions over at Worthy Christian Forums: Fath vs. Science (http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.php?/forum/91-...) before being banned, though you do have to wade through quite a bit of refuse.

Good luck.

Lurker

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Message 108 of 118 (624224)
07-16-2011 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Itinerant Lurker
07-16-2011 3:32 PM


Dear FSM, WHY did I click those links!?!?!?!?! My brain hurts now.... I've only heard of those places in passing, never checked them out. I wish I hadn't.


"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 109 of 118 (768014)
09-04-2015 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Crazynutsx
06-04-2011 6:46 AM


Re: reply
also this forum will not be abandoned with the next few weeks, i will keep running my site and making improvements in the best way i can

I know that nuts is no longer present, but I was just taking a walk down memory lane. I'm in the midst of writing a web page about the bogus claim about the slowing down of the earth's rotation (yes, it is indeed slowing down overall, but a rate that's about 1/33,000-th what creationists claim) and I remembered a classic crazynutsx SNAFU that I wanted to include. We "discussed" that claim at http://creationvsevolution.freeforums.org/...g-down-t66.html -- actually, I had to explain everything to him while he "responded" by posting other people's writing that he plagiarized, his usual MO. At one point, he plagiarized yet again in an attempt to defend the claim, but ironically he had lifted it from the classic refutation of the claim, As the World Turns: Can Creationists Keep Time? by Thwaites and Awbrey (Creation/Evolution, Issue IX, Summer 1982, pp.18-22). Unfortunately, towards the end he started deleting messages that he didn't like, which included that one.

Shortly thereafter, he abandoned his forum as well as attempting to discuss creation/evolution, it would appear. He was clearly way over his head and finally realized it. Then several months later new messages started appearing in Japanese (ie, using Kanji and Kana) and the forum ended up being taken over completely by Japanese. Today, Chrome offered to translate for me and the topics appeared to be mainly about golf and clothing.


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Message 110 of 118 (882412)
09-21-2020 8:55 PM


Then dad joined Crazynutsx' Long Abandoned Web Site
Some of you might remember an adolescent creationist who joined briefly in 2011, mainly to promote a creation/evolution forum he had set up at http://creationvsevolution.freeforums.org/. From the UK, claimed to be 20 years old, though many members placed his age as being at least half a decade less (I've seen too many sad cases that support his claim). He was also heavily into video gaming and if you Google on him that mainly what you find. He only lasted here from 18 May 2011 to 13 June 2011, so for less than a month. However, he had moved all his cre-ev activity that I know of to his own forum, which he abandoned around Sep 2011.

After he ran away from his own forum, some of us continued to use it into about 2013, usually because somebody new would join and we would respond to them. Then, as I reported in Message 109 immediately above, the site was suddenly taken over by Japanese hackers -- even though Japanese is written with Chinese characters such that by learning the one language you can read the other for the most part, you can identify text as being in Japanese because of the inclusion of Kana which are phonetic and uniquely Japanese though some Chinese territories formerly occupied by the Japanese might have retained some of it (hiragana is used mainly for grammatical markers (eg, "no" meaning "of") and katakana for phonetically spelling out foreign words (eg, "dansu" for European style dance as in the internationally popular 1996 movie, "Shall We Dansu?"). The new Japanese content appeared to mainly discuss golf (so popular and important that Japanese businessmen would fly to Hawaii just to go golfing which was cheaper than trying to golf in Japan) and clothing fashion. I also saw ads for a dentist in Japan.

And yet, the site still functions automatically for people wanting to discuss creation/evolution. I rediscovered it at the url, https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/creationvsevolution/ -- I just tested the old URL and it got me to the new one.

Back in early May 2019, our very own former member, dad, showed up at that forum and posted a couple messages: one was a failed attempt to start a discussion, the second was to try to explain away the logistical problems of Noah's Ark. Then more than half a year later (ie, Feb 2020) he returned with more nonsense about how completely different everything was different in the ante-diluvial "different nature" in exactly the manner he needed to hand-wave all difficulties away by such an amazing coincidence.

 
It has been observed that nothing that has ever been posted on the Internet every goes away. Has that effect been given a name?

 
In the meantime, we haven't seen hide nor hair of dad since 23-Jul-2020 15:01 PDT (I would assume since I'm logged in).


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Message 111 of 118 (882413)
09-22-2020 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by dwise1
09-21-2020 8:55 PM


Re: Then dad joined Crazynutsx' Long Abandoned Web Site
dwise1 writes:

In the meantime, we haven't seen hide nor hair of dad since 23-Jul-2020 15:01 PDT (I would assume since I'm logged in).

His last post at Fairytales of Evolution was 17th July.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 112 of 118 (882414)
09-22-2020 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by dwise1
09-21-2020 8:55 PM


Re: Then dad joined Crazynutsx' Long Abandoned Web Site
It has been observed that nothing that has ever been posted on the Internet every goes away. Has that effect been given a name?

That's not really true - much is lost forever. There are now, far more active attempts to archive stuff; but there are also orders of magnitude more content appearing now than 20 years ago. Much of it is extremely ephemeral.

Thankfully, most of it is also shit.


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Message 113 of 118 (882415)
09-22-2020 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by caffeine
09-22-2020 3:49 PM


Delete Key Enabled
Isn’t there an information horizon around the internet?

The information content is the logarithm of the reciprocal of the substructure (paths and nodes) raised to the power of the technological index while the information entropy of the net is the maximum expected value of the internet’s information content.

If the content of the net exceeds the entropy of the net it will collapse into a black hole. To forestall this possibility the early designers (hallowed be their IBM Green Cards) designed the information horizon around the entire net by causing there to be, on all input protocols and data structures, a required key or field labeled “delete”.

That was how we did it in my day. You young folks have different and probably better ways.


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I am antifa.

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Message 114 of 118 (882416)
09-22-2020 8:11 PM
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09-22-2020 8:09 PM


Re: Delete Key Enabled
What ever happened to just keep the 9 side down?

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Message 115 of 118 (882419)
09-23-2020 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by caffeine
09-22-2020 3:49 PM


Re: Then dad joined Crazynutsx' Long Abandoned Web Site
dwise1 writes:

It has been observed that nothing that has ever been posted on the Internet every goes away. Has that effect been given a name?

Caffeine writes:

That's not really true - much is lost forever. There are now, far more active attempts to archive stuff; but there are also orders of magnitude more content appearing now than 20 years ago. Much of it is extremely ephemeral.

Thankfully, most of it is also shit.

As for our archives here at EvC, they will last as long as Percy keeps them, though I suppose that places such as the Wayback Machine can keep them even if Percy deleted them.

I've said some stupid things a lot of times, but I'm not in consideration for the Supreme Court or any position of importance where public scrutiny would be involved.

And I'm already cleared by the Stae to go into correctional facilities both juvenile and adult...though if you liberals had your way none of we religious folk would ever be allowed in there without bringing in the Pagan, the Jew, the Muslim, and the LGBQT activist in the same visit.

Which is the sum ridicule of Liberalism. Lets confuse everybody!


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 116 of 118 (882421)
09-23-2020 3:03 AM
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09-23-2020 2:37 AM


Re: Then dad joined Crazynutsx' Long Abandoned Web Site
Phat writes:

I've said some stupid things a lot of times …

… oh look, here comes another …

quote:
And I'm already cleared by the Stae to go into correctional facilities both juvenile and adult...though if you liberals had your way none of we religious folk would ever be allowed in there without bringing in the Pagan, the Jew, the Muslim, and the LGBQT activist in the same visit.

Which is the sum ridicule of Liberalism.

If you knew how ridiculous that makes you look, you wouldn't write such thoughtless drivel.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 117 of 118 (882422)
09-23-2020 3:39 AM
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09-23-2020 3:03 AM


Nutters R Us
Maybe you are right.

I think I just like to rant here instead of actually thinking sometimes.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Tangle
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Message 118 of 118 (882423)
09-23-2020 6:31 AM
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09-23-2020 3:39 AM


Re: Nutters R Us
Phat writes:

I think I just like to rant here instead of actually thinking sometimes.

Well, you could always take a positive out of it and use it as a way of understanding/recognising your own prejudices.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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