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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: And of course jar believes that Christianity is about what You Do versus what You Could Have Done---assuming there is a Judgement. Phat, I simply report what is actually written in the Bible.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Iano was right about you. You are essentially a fifth columnist who is assigned by an enemy whom you don't even believe in and would laugh at to undermine Christian belief. Even Satan is useful to God, however. So stay honest and do your job and God will show you your errors before this life is over we hope. By the way, being the scientific critical thinker that you are, do you believe that you will meet God after you die? Do you see the One you meet as being Jesus Christ? Just curious. I am a Christian and so most certainly do not undermine Christian beliefs Phat. What I do try to do though and it seems pretty successfully is expose the con artists that really undermine the Christian Faith. If I was not successful at that you would be able to present reasoned arguments that supported what the Apologists market. That never seems to happen though. And if there is life after death then perhaps I will meet GOD but I would be shocked if it is the picayune Jesus you and the Apologists market.
Phat writes: So in essence, the God that I see you marketing is no God at all. That's another silly post Phat. I have consistently said that I believe there is a GOD, the creator of all that is, seen and unseen. What I do point out and provide the evidence to support what I point out is that all the God(s) & god(s) that humans have ever discussed are not GOD but rather creations of human minds that exist only in those human minds.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Apologetics teaches that Jesus is God. It seems that you were taught that God is a product of human imagination and that GOD is forever unknowable until perhaps after death. No Phat, I was never taught that. Stop posting porkies. The only possible conclusion that might be evidence based is that all God(s) & god(s) that have ever been discussed have been products solely of the human imagination. How else can you explain the tens of thousands of gods humans have believed in or the fact that even in the Bible we see constantly evolving descriptions of god, each of which is mutually exclusive from all the other god characters in the stories. I was taught to think Phat and that is the difference. I was not taught to shut my mind down and simply accept utter nonsense.
Phat writes: Whats wrong with "marketing the concept" that Jesus is God? (Or more correctly GOD) and if you were somehow taught that Apologetic s was evil, where on earth can you even assume that GOD will help you when you wont even let Jesus do it? When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Phat writes: You evidently refuse the idea that Jesus is God. No Phat, I accept the evidence that even in the Bible there are different characters call Jesus and each presents the Jesus that that author created.
Phat writes: You evidently support the idea that humans universally make the Gods they create. No Phat. All the evidence supports the idea that humans universally make the Gods they create. But feel free to present the evidence or even reasoned argument that might refute the evidence.
Phat writes: Yet you wont accept that Jesus is this GOD. Which Jesus Phat? Which of the vastly different versions of Jesus found in the New Testament is the real Jesus? Evidence or reasoned argument Phat. Present evidence or at least some reasoned argument.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Just because other people see "other gods" does not explain anything except fake gods (actual demons posing as gods). What are the tests anyone can perform to tell that what you experienced was not actually demons and a fake god!
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
ringo writes: Phat writes:
Evolution. How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery? We can even see birds and bonobos and dolphin and elephants show creativity and discovery. It is not even something unique to humans.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And in Genesis 1 the god and creation are all simply plot characters in a Just So Story meant to explain and codify the Hebrew Sacred Week and Sabbath.
The errors and omission and utter falsehoods found in Genesis 1 are irrelevant since their only importance or significance was to move the narrative through a cycle of six work days and one day of rest.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: As I told Son Goku, I feel that belief deserves a spot of its own alongside evidence. Why? Evidence can be independently verified; beliefs can not be independently verified. There is simply no plausible reason to place beliefs alongside anything but other beliefs and all beliefs are equally valid and equally worthless.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Why is it important to independently verify something? Because lots of folk have beliefs and their beliefs are often mutually exclusive.
Phat writes: What if by design the message was not for everybody but only for those who had ears to hear and who were not evidence based sticks in the mud who never embraced Jesus due to the fact that they were too busy trying to figure Him out to have a relationship? What if by design the message was not for everybody but only for those who had ears to hear and who were not evidence based sticks in the mud who never embraced Allah due to the fact that they were too busy trying to figure Him out to have a relationship? What if by design the message was not for everybody but only for those who had ears to hear and who were not evidence based sticks in the mud who never embraced Ganesh due to the fact that they were too busy trying to figure Him out to have a relationship? What if by design the message was not for everybody but only for those who had ears to hear and who were not evidence based sticks in the mud who never embraced Coyote due to the fact that they were too busy trying to figure Him out to have a relationship? Each of those statements is equally valid and equally worthless. And more importantly, none of them are supported by any evidence that can be independently tested and evaluated. Satan is strong in you.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The intellectual error that you make is placing your brains in the hands of critical thinking, evidence, and relativism. Really??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Did you actually post something that stupid?
Phat writes: There is only One God. Even the Bible stories say that is false Phat. Have you ever read the Bible? Who said "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Phat writes: Is it possible that *any* of us know Him? Is it possible that it is the One Spirit that people actually know and not a feeling made up in their heads? Is it possible that your worldview has been wrong for 50 years? What does the evidence show Phat? What if by design the message was not for everybody but only for those who had ears to hear and who were not evidence based sticks in the mud who never embraced Allah due to the fact that they were too busy trying to figure Him out to have a relationship? What if by design the message was not for everybody but only for those who had ears to hear and who were not evidence based sticks in the mud who never embraced Ganesh due to the fact that they were too busy trying to figure Him out to have a relationship? What if by design the message was not for everybody but only for those who had ears to hear and who were not evidence based sticks in the mud who never embraced Coyote due to the fact that they were too busy trying to figure Him out to have a relationship? As always, you never actually address the questions asked but instead simply repeat your dogma and market the god you create.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar writes: no other gods=no other objects of worship from which one derives power....such as Golden Calfs, various drugs, or porn, or intoxicants...even such innocuous objects which some may worship such as money or guns. Or pens! ....and some would argue that thopugh there is but One God there is many many demons. Of course to a relativist, if everyone has a"God"in their own head...we all are sinning against GOD. But thats another argument. Even the Bible stories say that is false Phat. Have you ever read the Bible? Who said "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me." There you go just making shit up instead of reading. Does it actually say "I am the Lord Thy God. ... Thou shalt have no other gods before me." And you also run off into your usual make shit up mode to imply I or others worship "stuff" like you did. We are not YOU Phat. Nor did anyone mention sin so no idea why you even bring that up except to once again try to palm the pea and avoid addressing what was actually written.
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