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ringo
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Message 467 of 670 (868627)
12-15-2019 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 463 by Percy
12-14-2019 5:35 PM


Re: Unarmed Police Does Work
Percy writes:
Knowing through observation or through informing oneself by other means is not the same as thinking, which can include opinions and imaginary things and speculations and so forth.
You said you were speculating about what you knew. Since it was a speculation, it had to be about what they thought they knew.
Percy writes:
If they didn't know the bomb was fake, why did they fire into his chest and abdomen where the bomb was?
As I said, there's little point in speculating about what went through their minds in those few seconds.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 504 of 670 (877240)
06-09-2020 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 503 by Hyroglyphx
06-09-2020 10:57 AM


Re: Marquez Shooting Deliberation
There were at least three officers there. 3 x 4 = 12. Is four rounds excessive?
Yes.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 518 of 670 (877436)
06-16-2020 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 517 by Hyroglyphx
06-16-2020 6:25 AM


Re: Protests
Hyroglyphx writes:
I am, after all, the most despised thing on the planet.
1. Male
2. Caucasian
3. American
4. Police Officer
That is the most archetypal villain in the modern era....
You're seriously deluded. In our entertainment media, the cops are worshipped to an embarassing degree - the bad ones along with the good. The most archetypal villains of our time are brown terrorists and brown drug dealers.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 522 of 670 (877477)
06-16-2020 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by Hyroglyphx
06-16-2020 4:25 PM


Re: Protests
Hyroglyphx writes:
Hmm, maybe that's why they call cops "Blue Isis."
It's an apt comparison.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 527 of 670 (880063)
07-28-2020 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Hyroglyphx
07-28-2020 1:46 PM


Re: Protests
Hyroglyphx writes:
There's actually never been less police corruption than now because of the amount of oversight and the advent of the cellphone.
There aren't as many stagecoach robberies as there used to be either.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 529 of 670 (880162)
07-30-2020 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by Hyroglyphx
07-29-2020 7:11 PM


Re: Protests
Meaning... if there were stagecoaches, there would be stagecoach robberies. If cops could get away with corruption, there would be corruption.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 531 of 670 (880175)
07-30-2020 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by Hyroglyphx
07-30-2020 10:23 AM


Re: Protests
Hyroglyphx writes:
There are definitely still some good 'ole boy agencies in the backwoods of America and I'm sure to a lesser extent in Canada.
We don't have "good 'ole boy" agencies to the extent that you do in the states but the RCMP are still being dragged kicking and screaming into the twentieth century. Racism and sexism are pretty rampant.
Hyroglyphx writes:
Most agencies though have enormous incentive to root out shitty officers.
When I worked for the RCMP (on support staff), we had a cleaner fired for stealing. He was hauled away in handcuffs and he wasn't even allowed back on the base to pick up his car; his roommate had to get it for him. During the same period of time, three RCMP sergeants got caught stealing. They got early retirement.
Hyroglyphx writes:
Do you really believe that most agencies would want a Derek Chauvin on their team? Equally, do you truly believe that most or even many cops see parity with him or defend him?
I believe that many would defend him if they could. Many do in less extreme cases.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 544 of 670 (882433)
09-23-2020 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 540 by Hyroglyphx
09-23-2020 11:09 AM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphx writes:
Are the police doctors?
In Canada we have recently had a couple of cases in which people were killed by police during "wellness checks".
Can the police tell the difference between "well" and "dead"?
If not, maybe it should be added to their training.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 553 of 670 (882470)
09-24-2020 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 545 by Hyroglyphx
09-23-2020 1:45 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphx writes:
But those aren't deemed newsworthy so you never hear about it.
That's a good excuse for anything that goes wrong.
It's also the excuse for doing nothing about it: As longs as thousands of people DON'T get shot by the police, everything is fine.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 555 of 670 (882475)
09-24-2020 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 554 by Hyroglyphx
09-24-2020 12:31 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphx writes:
Or it helps keep things in perspective.
From my perspective, a gun is not effective for testing wellness.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 559 of 670 (882481)
09-25-2020 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 556 by Hyroglyphx
09-24-2020 1:16 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphx writes:
Police don’t need a firearm to do any portion of their job...
That's what I said. They don't need guns to check on wellness - but since they've got them, might as well use them, eh?
Sending police with guns to check on wellness is like sending an arsonist to check for fires.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 561 of 670 (882483)
09-25-2020 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 560 by Hyroglyphx
09-25-2020 12:49 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphx writes:
Crazy people sometimes act crazy....
Medical personnel deal with mental health issues all the time - without guns.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 563 of 670 (882503)
09-26-2020 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 562 by Hyroglyphx
09-25-2020 1:21 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphyx writes:
So what exactly are you looking for?
1. When police interact on mental health issues that they disarm.
2. That police not interact with mental health calls at all but still remained armed.
3. That police ought not be armed whatsoever but can still interact on mental health calls.
4. That police ought not to be armed whatsoever and also cannot interact on mental health calls.
That police don't "check" on "wellness" by shooting the patient.
It reminds me of Swiss Family Robinson, when the boys are out exploring:
"What's that?" BLAM! "Oh, it's some kind of gull."
"What's that?" BLAM! "Oh, it's some kind of rabbit."
Granted, it is easier to examine the patient when he's dead.
If somebody is sent to "check" on "wellness", they should certainly NOT be armed. Those checks should be done by qualified mental health professionals, not by qualified shooters.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 566 of 670 (882530)
09-27-2020 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 564 by Hyroglyphx
09-26-2020 2:27 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphx writes:
Why didn't answer my question? Would you choose 1,2,3, or 4?
The answer was 5.
Hyroglyphx writes:
The traffic stop or a check welfare is what initially brought them into contact with one another but it is the other person's actions that dictate how its going to go.
Nonsense. If the police didn't bring a gun to either situation, the outcome would be different. Having the capability to shoot people is a major cause of shooting people.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 573 of 670 (882550)
09-28-2020 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 570 by Hyroglyphx
09-27-2020 8:03 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Hyroglyphx writes:
So the other alternative is have either the officer die or the offender be clubbed to death or stabbed to death by the officer’s own knife.
False dichotomy. Another alternative would be to check the person's wellness without violence. As I pointed out, mental health professionals do that every day.
If police go into any situation with a them-or-me attitude, then it's more likely that there will be violence.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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