Police Shootings

Why didn't answer my question? Would you choose 1,2,3, or 4? One of those four will match your exact preference. A reason for the rationale would also be helpful. Your argument is a total fallacy and a dishonest framing of the situation. That's like saying police shoot people over a traffic violations. Nope. The traffic stop or a check welfare is what initially brought them into contact with one another but it is the other person's actions that dictate how its going to go. Anything less is the insinuation that people don't possess the right to self-defense.Its also worth mentioning that calls for service involving welfare checks are not only consigned to people experiencing mental health crises. It can also be, "I live out of town and I haven't been able to get a hold of my elderly father for 3 days. He lives alone and has health conditions. Can you check to see if he is alright?" If you want to give that job to firefighters or EMS, so be it. Guarantee the police are more than happy to give that up. They have more than enough calls to deal with while hose draggers are playing Xbox at the fire station.As to suicidal persons, its very often that no one wants to make contact with them because of the potential for violence and they aren't equipped to handle it. Its easier to train police to handle mental crises in the interim to ensure the scene is safe rather than it is to train social workers how to disarm people with knives with their bare hands. I can tell you right now that if any weapon is involved whatsoever, no mental health counselor, psychologist, psychiatrist, or EMS personnel are willing to go into that situation.Makes me think of that really cheesy movie, Armageddon, where they trained oil rig drillers to become astronauts... Uh, wouldn't it be about a thousand times easier to teach astronauts how to drill? Did you know that in most states ONLY police officers are legally allowed to place people on an Emergency Detention order? Not even psychiatrists can. They can only hold them longer once they are at a facility but they can't go out nor do they possess the legal authority to make that determination. So who is gonna do it, Ringo? You'd have to change legislature and you'd have to force people not willing to go, to go.Look, while there a certainly rinky-dink, bumble-fuck towns that have officers who know very little about mental health, you'd probably be surprised at how well trained Mental Health Officers in large departments are at recognizing a multitude of personality disorders, intellectual disabilities, mood disorders, thought disorders, etc who know a lot about psychiatric medication and their contraindications with other medicines.Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

So the other alternative is have either the officer die or the offender be clubbed to death or stabbed to death by the officer’s own knife. Deadly Force is still Deadly Force regardless of the method

LOL, yeah okay... you read that in an article in Newsweek? What a vicious lie, Percy. If you honestly believe that a majority of police officers are doing whatever they can to dehumanize people that aren’t white, then the real issue is that you are exposed to only the most negative cases and never, ever the overwhelming number of cases that help people of all races without prejudice. This isn’t the Antebellum South.... if you feel this way then maybe it speaks more to your hang ups and implicit biases. Really??? I’ve never met even one Chauvin apologist let alone heard of one. Are you referring to all of 6 people nationwide? LOL the overwhelming majority of BLM are disaffected white college suburb kids disconnected with reality! It’s a bunch of white losers pretending to play revolutionary cosplay And what pushback are you referring to? Not wanting to be accosted in the street for existing? Upset that their family business of 40 years was burned down for being in the way?

You insist that racism among law enforcement is systemic while simultaneously implying that on a case by case basis we cannot know the individual motivations, but the peanut gallery, every time there is a critical incident involving white police officer(s) and a black subject is that it must have been racially motivated. That is a contradictory position to hold. No, I'm suggesting that CNN is in the business of manufacturing news instead of reporting on it. CNN, the absolute worse of the worst. They drive narratives that otherwise should be left to the observer to speculate on why something occurred. There are almost no media outlets remaining that objectively report news. Traditional media outlets know a few things:

print media is a dying medium

that in a deluge of information most people are lazy and only want their news in the most brief form as possible

that cable television is dying a slow and painful death which means their medium is being threatened.

Because their livelihood is jeopardized, it requires clever ways to keep people hooked. The easiest way is to give them their daily fix of rage porn at the expense of journalistic integrity.

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Anyone wanna argue the point?

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You do realize, I hope, that you're equally "geographically disconnected."

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No, I am boots on the ground living it and experiencing it. I go into the black neighborhoods and physically speak with the residents while everyone else is relying on Don Lemon to tell them what they should be believing.

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How do these support your position that Antifa is playing any meaningful role

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Ask the residents of Portland and Seattle. They know it better than anyone else.

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Not only that but there wasn't a single respected source among them, such as The BBC, The New Yorker, AP, Reuters, Bloomberg News, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The Atlantic, etc.

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Your idea of a "respected outlet" is a medium that tells you what you want to hear through a series of confirmation biases. Every single one of those outlets have been exposed at one time or another pushing exploitative pieces that present fiction as fact. I'm not the one who thinks that mainstream media is the only verifiable way to retrieve data sets.

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Bottom line: There is no actual evidence of widespread Antifa-caused unrest. They're a fringe group with little power or influence who no one here supports anyway. You're just buying Trump propaganda hook, line and sinker. I guess we know your "news source" now.

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AZpaul is the only one here who openly supports them... at least he has the balls to admit it. I respect that more than the ones who deny their affiliation. Your silence on the subject regarding absolutely disgusting behavior is an inference to your tacit approval of it. Anyone with more than 5 brain cells knows that Antifa is the thug wing of the Left who are willing to do the wet work that the rest of the lefties have to officially distance themselves, while unofficially supporting anything that deconstructs the concept of Western Civilization.

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

That's funny that you present a literal False Dichotomy while whining about a False Dilemma. Your scenario is either/or with no other possible alternative. Correlation =/= Causation Oh, cool story, bro.... So you buy car insurance with the attitude that you will definitely get into an accident every time you drive, right? You only buckle your seatbelt because you know that you will definitely get into a crash today, right?

He had a warrant for his arrest. He had prior violence charges. Multiple means of non-lethal force were applied beforehand but failed. He failed to obey a lawful command while at gunpoint. He lunged into the car in such a manner that is akin to reaching for something, not sitting in the car. The shooting was at close range thereby not placing the children in any immediate danger. Maybe just the teensiest bit of onus on Blake? Whattya think? Obvious bullshit is not always so obvious. You probably should have just asked for me to corroborate it before immediately launching into accusation mode.And before you ask about the "undisclosed condition," it would have been a HIPAA violation to release medical information to the media. He threw himself down a flight of stairs and feigned paralysis. The deputy failed to follow protocol, thinking paralyzed people can't run away. Yeah, and? People shot are still capable of presenting a threat. You shoot until they no longer present a threat. Some facts, however uncomfortable and unfortunate they may be, are nevertheless facts. It is what it is. Its one thing to continue to fire when somebody is still making furtive movements and its another to continue to fire into an obviously lifeless body. Which is reasonable and which is a situation of overkill?Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Well, there is only 3 choices when it comes to explaining why that might be.1. Minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crimes when compared to whites per capita.
2. That minorities are being systematically being framed for crimes committed by white people.
3. Some combination of both.Asians represent a very small fraction of crime per capita and in terms of raw numbers. Is that because culturally there are very low incidences of crime or white police officers give Asians a pass? Okay, I read it. Now defend your implicit biases. Look, you're white and the fact of the matter is that you have implicit biases that are both etched into your DNA and that has been taught to you by cultural influence. The sooner that you accept it, the sooner we can move on. Do you usually use extreme outliers and statistical anomalies to represent all or most police? The fact of the matter is that when it comes to the George Floyd case, there is as close to a near identical consensus as one could possibly get. A few of his buddies does not represent the majority opinion either among police officers or among the general public.

That would be the second choice. I'm just pointing a mirror at your own arguments. That's because there are very few. The original point is that not all police officers de facto defend all police actions, to include some of the more controversial ones. It is a dangerous proposition to remove people's self-agency and viewing them as an homologous unit. All social media platforms are really good at censoring unpopular opinions. And I think that certain interest groups fan the flames of discord often to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Racism was at an all-time low in this country and these latest incarnations are only serving to destroy what progress was made. The metric for what qualifies as racist has a hair-trigger these days.

Because people of color don't always agree with one another... Because women don't always agree with one another... Because all people have the inherent right to express an opinion; not just people with melanin and people with vaginas. I guess equality isn't your thing.... You think self-subjugation, self-flagellation, self-effacement, and self-immolation is the only way to pay for the sins of the father and the father's father, the father's-father's-father, and so on.

Those aren't crimes at all. You actually have to have an arrestable offense to be arrested. What you are referring to is pretext stops (cop using any offense to legitimize a stop so (s)he can look for something bigger). If the stats are in relation to why there is a disparity in arrests among different racial groups then my framing of possible choices is entirely accurate. You seem to think that many officers defend Chauvin when they don't. Its a dishonest presentation. So I pointed out that you are using extreme outliers to represent the middle when it isn't reflective. Its not that I'm defending positions not made, its that you shift the goalposts whenever you need to backtrack. You do it constantly. Homologous: "Corresponding or similar in position, value, structure, or function."And here's an article about Facebook removing groups supporting Chauvin: Inside the Facebook groups that support Derek Chauvin
All social media platforms are really good at censoring unpopular opinions. Yes, there are Chauvin apologists.... Statistically there all but would have to. I am saying that the number is nevertheless is an exceedingly small fraction when compared to the number of people who believed they witnessed a murder, as do I.

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And I think that certain interest groups fan the flames of discord often to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Racism was at an all-time low in this country and these latest incarnations are only serving to destroy what progress was made. The metric for what qualifies as racist has a hair-trigger these days.

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No, apparently that is your internalized racism, Percy. I said "interest groups," not racial groups. I'm referring to the corporate interests that are funding groups to make it appear as if its some grassroots effort. Its a social engineering experiment. The purpose is to change the perception of America to such a degree that it politically and socially shifts towards the political left.

What is this? Polling a country as large in the US is bullshit artistry, but I do think it is more plausible that the majority of black Americans would support BLM. That is because black lives do matter... but the group and the concept are two different things altogether. If black lives mattered the way they ought to then BLM would be protesting in the Southside of Chicago when record numbers of black
Americans are killed in droves, not by white police officers, but by other black Americans.If you or anyone from BLM honestly thinks that white officers en masse are systematically trying to find ways to kill People of Color, then you are just as delusional as these Q-Anon morons
. Who mentioned anything about abortion besides you? I said that many women reject the term and ethos behind feminism. Do you think that’s because they want to be subjugated by the patriarchy or do you think it’s because being a feminist is widely open to interpretation as to what that means? Nice slander and character assassination. Name a SINGLE thing that I’ve ever stated that is racist. Oh yeah, as we all know as soon as a lump sum is paid out that’ll be the end of it. Let me count the ways it will accomplish nothing. Racism is alive because Democrats keep that shit on life support in exchange for votes. The Left has shackled and crippled the black man under the guise of being his friend, but they’re divisive snakes. Malcolm X was right about white liberals....

A probable cause affidavit has to be presented to a magistrate and (s)he either finds probable cause or does not. That statement is given under oath and if found to be perjuring oneself results in a Brady Letter which is pretty much is a death sentence for a law enforcement officer. With all interactions being recorded on body cam and an in-car camera system means that lying about something is that much more harder to do. Probably because crime rates statistically tend to be higher in black neighborhoods which results in a higher amount of police saturation. The higher the police presence in a specific area results in more interaction with the community being policed. That's not necessarily indicative of racism. For one thing its difficult to see inside the interior of a vehicle, especially at night, in which to definitively know the race of the driver. Quite often predominantly poorer neighborhoods tend to have a much higher volume of crime thus resulting in a saturation of the area to curb the crime. Very often those neighborhoods tend to be black or latino neighborhoods... but not always. There are areas of many towns that have a higher number of poor whites where the crime rate is much higher due to something like heavy methamphetamine or heroin use. Those areas are also heavily saturated because rates of crime are higher, also resulting in increased traffic stops simply by virtue that they are more present in these areas and therefore see the violations more often than they would in a neighborhood that has exceedingly small amounts of crime.Poverty and crime have a strong correlation. We could argue on if its a chicken and egg problem, but that much should be agreed upon given the stats that overwhelmingly support the conclusion.One of the issues with some of the arguments posed by BLM is that most often fails to address is that black perpetrators disproportionately effect black victims. Statistically that is absolutely corroborated from city to city. So for however much you may think police are hurting black people they assist black communities three times as much. Why isn't that discussed? Ah, because it doesn't neatly fit into the narrative. Yes, he is! First of all he's not objective because Chauvin is a donor, they're probably friends, and ONE person can NEVER represent the middle when it comes to hundreds of thousands. You know how statistics work, Percy. Don't be intellectually lazy. And what precisely is that? All social media platforms are de-platforming users that expressly convey violence as it is a direct violation of their terms and conditions. You know as well as I do that ALL social media platforms are run by and operated by left-leaning people. Completely different?!?!apologist ’-pl’-jst
n. A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.
n. One who speaks or writes in defense of anything; one who champions a person or a cause, whether in public address or by literary means; one who makes an apology or defense.supporter s’-prt’r
n. One that supports, as a structural member of a building.
n. One who promotes or advocates; an adherent.You're arguing semantics here... In light of some recent revelations I think the numbers are starting to get higher in terms of exonerating him... which would be catastrophic. So while I would agree that they are marginally higher than before that the overwhelming consensus is that what Chauvin did to that man was absolutely disgusting. Positive. Just because Trump and I have some overlap doesn't make me a supporter of his. Oh, look at that, you and Hitler both have an affection for dogs... Guess that means you're a Nazi sympathizer. I can play Godwin's Law too.... Don't be naive, there is open monetary support from very large corporations. Think of the logistics necessary for Antifa and BLM to night after night after night attack cities like Portland and Seattle for months and months and months.... You really think that can be sustainable and hold down a job? Not on your life. This is being funded surreptitiously by deep pockets.Demand Protest - We Assemble Movementshttps://crowdsondemand.com/Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

By virtue of contrast and comparison, if the only way one can prove their non-racism is only through extreme patronage and self-effacement as their only hope for salvation, then of course I am going to look like David Duke. The bar for what constitutes racism in today's cancel culture is so low that everything qualifies as such. That's your failing, not mine. Haha, then I guess that 5% non-confidence for Trump beating Hilary Clinton was quite the anomaly. Polls in the US cannot be trusted because the results themselves have a tendency to manufacture desired results. Sample size. Sample population. How the poll questions are phrased... All of that factors in. And what difference does it make or should it make to YOU what someone else thinks? Yeah, exactly! And guess who kills far and away more black people... white police officers or other black people? If BLM was an honest organization then black lives would matter 100% of the time. Obfuscate all you'd like... the facts speak for themselves. I'm curious to know your thoughts on police departments that have at least 50% or higher racial make-up of blacks or hispanics in their departments when it comes to policing. Atlanta PD, Detroit PD, etc for departments with a high number of black officers or departments in California or South Florida that have high numbers of hispanic officers... Do they care about race or do they just worry about crime regardless of who is committing it? Right, but so many women reject the term "feminism." Why do you suppose that is? Hint: its the same reason a lot black Americans reject BLM.... Because a movement isn't always reflective of the ethos they purport. Absolutely. LOL, yeah, and??? How does that equal me thinking one race is inherently superior to another? You also said its a good start, so how will it be a good start? YES! For a group that talks so much about equality, the Democrat Party highlights racial division in order to keep people angry. They want to portray themselves as the savior of black people when in reality they have consistently failed the black man for 50 fucking years! Every single Democrat run shit hole has buried the black man even further when he cries out for true liberation. But you aren't helping it, you keep it alive by stoking flames. Its not entirely your fault, you've been led down this path to believe that anyone that thinks differently from you is:1. a racist
2. a Trump supporterMaybe one day you'll be able to think for yourself and stop relying social cues provided from your masters. They've got you right in their back pocket; hook, line and sinker.

Do black lives matter when it comes to police officers? Is there national outrage when a black officer is attacked by a white suspect for absolutely no reason? Do national media outlets pump this across the airwaves non-stop in protest?Does this highlight the kind of insane encounters police have to endure? Does it at least marginally explain why police tactically behave in ways not understood by the general public?

No, there isn't.... as evidenced by the vitriol poised against All Lives Matter... That doesn't only imply that black lives matter, it actually says it flat out. Literal equality is now racist. This is the retarded world we now live in. If you can explain how only Black Lives Matters is inclusive to everyone I would love to hear it. Keep chugging that Kool-Aid... But IS there? No, obviously not. This black man could have been shot in the face and nobody would have given a fuck because he loses his right to be a human the second he wears the uniform. You wouldn't have ever even known about it had I not posted it. Because it doesn't neatly fit inside the narrative, the media could care less.Can you at least, just a little, not see how the media is manipulative? At some point you are going to have to do some critical thinking on your own and stop taking cues from a dishonest media that is dying and who can only justify their own existence by keeping you enraged as a means of keeping you engaged.