The Failure of Progressivism

What you said was obviously false and I gave an example that demonstrated that it was false.You said, "As it relates to the current topic, if the Left's dystopian view of the US was so apparent then it would not be living a society that allows it to openly be this critical. The constant and insistent harangue that minorities are systematically oppressed is itself the strongest indication that its total bullshit." Message 16I pointed out that the mere ability to protest does not indicate "free speech" if the protests are ignored (systematically for hundreds of years).So go ahead and back up what you said. When you back up the first item, we can move on.

Translation: There's no discrimination against minorities, the left just likes to complain about it.Conclusion: You're as racist as it gets.--Percy

Ignored? Couldn't possibly be ignored if you tried. Every media outlet pumps it nonstop from every media platform possible from radio, to television to internet, every politician discusses it and its implications, the Royals are behind the movement, celebrity after celebrity supporting it, company after company making large donations, every single sports outlet (NHL, NFL, NBA, etc) openly and loudly supports it, freeways clogged, restaurant goers assaulted, motorists stopped, people forced to raise their fists in solidarity or risk being assaulted, etc. You would be hard pressed to find a single person on a planet earth that isn't at least marginally familiar with it.Now that we can definitively say that not only is it not ignored but that it utterly dominates the social stream of conscience, perhaps you can address my points.

No, its that the Left is pouring gasoline on an issue that was only smoldering before turning a contained brush fire in to a raging inferno as a political expedient and a political ploy at the expense of black America. If you can't see how counter-productive this is and how its a guaranteed prescription to hurt race relations then you are willfully blind.

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The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. -- Malcolm X

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I do not know of any 12 year old bartender, period, much less one that is giving advice on climate change.That sounds like unreasoning right wing propoganda there.

In terms of ACTION, it is most definitely ignored. Black men are still being shot and police are walking away scot-free. It isn't the amount of noise that matters. It's the REACTION to the noise that matters. I pointed that out in my first post and you still have not addressed it.

If any are walking away scot free then what does that tell you about the facts of individual cases? The annual median average of shot by the police is 1,000... that's out of 120,000,000 annual calls for service nationwide. Of those that are shot by police, 24% are black. Of the total amount of all police shootings, roughly 94% were deemed justified most often by grand juries after evidence was provided by the defense and the prosecution.Now, of those, what evidence is there to assume that white officers are literally killing people just because they're black and has nothing to do with, oh I don't know, the fact that they are about to be killed?Lets juxtapose that with the homicide rate of Chicago, which averages 500 murders annually. Of that, 75% of the victims and 71% of the perpetrators are black30.9% of the total population of Chicago is black. So only 30% of the population in a specific demographic is both accounting for 3/4 of the entire rate of homicide AND is 3/4 of the victims of homicide. Two years of Chicago violence, alone, accounts for the entire US population of homicides by police officers in a single year. A single US city accounts for approximately two years worth of police shootings for the rest of the entire country. Hmmmm.....Hmmmmm... but Black Lives Matter right??? Only when its convenient, don't delude yourself. Only when a bullshit narrative is to be dispensed. When an agenda needs to be wheeled out.

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"The problem with the social activism we are now seeingwhat John McWhorter has called the new religion of anti-Racismis that it finds racism nearly everywhere, even where it manifestly does not exist. And this is incredibly damaging to the cause of achieving real equality in our society. It’s almost impossible to exaggerate the evil and injustice of slavery and its aftermath. But it is possible to exaggerate how much racism currently exists at an Ivy League university, or in Silicon Valley, or at the Oscars. And those exaggerations are toxicand, perversely, they may produce more real racism. It seems to me that false claims of victimhood can diminish the social stature of any group, even a group that has a long history of real victimization.

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The imprecision herethe bad-faith arguments, the double standards, the goal-post shifting, the idiotic opinion pieces in the New York Times, the defenestrations on social media, the general hysteria that the cult of wokeness has producedI think this is all extremely harmful to civil society, and to effective liberal politics, and to the welfare of African Americans." -- Sam Harris

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You're being led down a path of total bullshit that is absolutely destructive not only to society as a whole, but is creating incalculable damage to the black community. What is going to happen as a result of all this Wokeness and denuding of law and order is an authoritarian backlash and the creation of actual racists -- which is the last thing this, or any other country, should go through. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

I didn't suggest any such thing. I pointed out that the ability to protest does not make the problem go away. I haven't said anything about what's good for the black community - except to suggest that the teeny-tiny, itsy-bitsy minority of unjustified shootings are still a bad thing.

That's odd because for a minute there it looks as if you said nothing is being done about black men being murdered in the streets by white police officers that are NECESSARILY racist which therefore necessitates society's endless protests until it stops completely.Its not hard to understand why and how it is statistically impossible to think we will ever reach a net worth of zero deadly force encounters. In 120,000,000 interactions a year, you are bound to have some people who will violently oppose arrest. Within that violent opposition, some of the people involved will inevitably be white police officers and some of the people involved will inevitably be black subjects. Some of those uses of force will inevitably be unjustified and some of them will be inevitably justified.In my estimation the answer for the police is more funding, better training, stricter vetting process, and stricter standards of entry.Police academies usually do a pretty good job of training cadets but the continuing education is often seriously lacking and all of it is perishable skills. Continuous training involving shoot/no shoot scenarios, de-escalation training, better empty hand training (BJJ, kickboxing, etc).There also needs to be a continuous refresher course involving city ordinances, traffic laws, penal code, code of criminal procedure, constitutional law and Supreme Court cases involving law enforcement matters.Police departments should additionally provide classes that uncover and erase any implicit biases that address actual or perceived biases from the community.The police must additionally engage the community with an online citizen police academy and community outreach concerning what the police are looking for and for how to most appropriately to behave during a police encounter to ensure that all persons, officer and subject, are as safe as humanly possible. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Edit to add

Nothing I wrote looks like that. The phrase "necessarily racist" is yours, not mine.

A cop pulls over a BMW and walks up to the driver's window. It rolls down and in the driver's seat is a middle aged pudgy white dude in a 3 piece suit. When the cop asks for identification the white dude reaches into has back pocket for his wallet. He isn't shot. Is that surprising?Sadly, there are traffic stops where the driver or passenger isn't a middle aged, rich, pudgy white due, and is instead a black man. Sometimes, they get shot when reaching into their back pocket for ID. Even worse, we aren't surprised.The major problem, in my estimation, is that cops have a heightened state of fear if the person they are dealing with is black. That's what sets up these terrible outcomes. Is a cop going to have his hand on his gun ready to draw at the drop of a hat if he is talking to a white pregnant woman in a mini-van? Probably not. What if it's a young black kid? He might be ready to draw and fire in the blink of an eye.

Why? Why does the cop feel this way?Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

If your only two metrics or variables are skin color and a specific outcome, then naturally that kind of oversimplification is only going to yield simplified results versus one that factors in multiple layers of nuance. But, you aren't stupid, you know that already...So is an unassuming, Morgan Freeman type of black man, driving a BMW in a 3-piece suit going to signal some kind of threat versus a white guy that looks like Chuck Liddell? Or how about a pregnant, black female that looks like Keri Washington driving a mini-van versus a white chick that has a tatted up neck and a confrontational attitude?Demeanor, size, athleticism, attitude, shiftiness, mannerisms, etc are all context clues that every person picks up on, not just cops, when determining a threat assessment. Its 350 million of human evolution at play and just being "white" or just being "black" outside of the aforementioned variables doesn't tell the whole story.And if that kind of reasoning still doesn't paint a more accurate portrayal than the one posed by you, we still have raw facts and datasets. And the fact remains that white people account for nearly 50% of all police shootings and the other 50% is every other race combined. Even when adjusting for per capita its still a disproportionate representation when considering their contribution to overall crime rates.But those aren't endlessly pumped across the airwaves, so your perception of reality is horribly skewed. Your perception is not entirely your fault... The media deliberately manufactures this narrative to keep them alive. Rage bait and partisan politics is the only thing keeping print media and cable news alive... its a ploy out of desperation. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Translation: I blame the left for making rampant racial discrimination an issue when we could have continued ignoring it. Translation: If you refuse to acknowledge a problem then it doesn't exist.--Percy