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Message 96 of 200 (883027)
11-01-2020 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Sarah Bellum
10-31-2020 6:55 PM


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Why so touchy? I'm not saying anything you disagree with, either by "innuendo" or outright!

In what delusional world would I agree with your vicious attack?

No I do not agree with your innuendo, which is designed solely to dismiss my position without discussion.

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1. Are you sure all the new justices that will benefit from the scheme will be chosen for their merit rather than their political views?

A political element would be necessary to restore balance.

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2. How sure are you that these justices, however meritorious, will remain loyal poodles? Remember, in United States vs. Nixon the justices appointed by the President ruled against him.

They aren’t meant to.


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Message 102 of 200 (883053)
11-02-2020 4:03 PM
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11-02-2020 3:50 PM


Because the balance is not about partisanship. It’s not about choosing judges who will decide your way no matter what. The point of the balance is to balance opposing viewpoints.

Complaining that judges don’t follow the party line seems to be a big thing among Republicans, but I don’t see it as important.


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Message 105 of 200 (883057)
11-03-2020 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Sarah Bellum
11-02-2020 5:51 PM


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So you want to have justices who disagree with the people you disagree with (for "balance"), but you aren't concerned that they follow your party line? You want to have justices that are opposed to the "Republican" (or at least Republican-nominated) justices, but it's "not about partisanship"?

I want to restore the political balance but without regard to loyalty to a party. That isn’t hard to understand. Of course you probably do and this distortion is just dishonest spin. Or maybe, as a Republican you’ve lost even the idea of principles.

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Look, I get it, you want the Supreme Court to decide in certain ways. Let's face it, so do I: I think if Roe vs. Wade is overturned it'll be a serious problem (which can be fixed by legislation, of course, as it was in some states even before 1973) and hope for future justices to be nominated who agree with me.

Obviously you don’t get it. The central point is that the Republicans have gone too far packing the court with justices that will decide their way, and a balance should be restored. Which way the balanced court rules on particular questions is less important than that there is a balanced court too rule.


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Message 122 of 200 (883075)
11-04-2020 12:51 PM
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11-04-2020 12:39 PM


Re: It's going to be VERY close
Looking at the BBC site if everything goes the way predicted the margin may be even narrower. It may come down to the last state to post results.

Trump says he wants to stop the counts, but we’ll see if he does anything. Trump says a lot of things. The Texas court case where both State and Federal courts refused to invalidate over 100,000 legal votes gives me hope that the Supreme Court will not rubber-stamp any demand Trump makes (even if some of the Justices would do that).

Contrary to Phat’s claim know perfectly well that Trump and some of his supporters will claim that the election was stolen if he loses. The rest of us will wait to see what happens - and what happened. )If the Post Office delays did disenfranchise many Americans - including those serving overseas in the armed forces - there should be questions asked. Especially as it seems that the delays were intentional).


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Message 131 of 200 (883084)
11-04-2020 4:15 PM


Trump supporters try to disrupt the count in Detroit
The Republican attacks on democracy continue.

Seriously, how can any honest person support this?


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Message 134 of 200 (883087)
11-05-2020 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Phat
11-04-2020 3:06 PM


Re: Lament
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I really dont mind if the Republicans maintain power...only because I fear that a Democratic Victory will lead to handing the Covid 19 and national debt bill to the US middle and working class rather than attempt to force the entire world to pay it off through trade wars and positioning advantageous to the small businessman of America.

You do realise that the Republicans are more likely to pass the debt on to the working and middle class and tariffs are one way to do that? Tariffs aren’t paid by the “rest of the world”. They are paid by the importers and the cost is passed on to consumers.


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Message 136 of 200 (883089)
11-05-2020 2:31 AM
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11-05-2020 2:04 AM


Re: Lament
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...of course on the other hand, the republicans want to do away with Social Security which working class folks like me need to retire with

Because that IS exactly the sort of thing your friends are disagreeing with. They think you should work harder and earn the money you need to retire on. And if that isn’t possible that’s your problem.

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Granted, I think in generalizations and cliches, but I dont like the idea of people who expect something for nothing and seek to eliminate the middle class in the interest of helping the poor.

Nobody is planning to “eliminate the middle class”. That’s insane. Especially since you’re defending your entitlements.


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Message 137 of 200 (883090)
11-05-2020 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by PaulK
11-05-2020 2:31 AM


Re: Lament
Phat, you should read this thread:

But if you don’t read it all, at least keep this in mind.

I've come to realize that while...
... the values I'm talking about are good, most of the people who preached them never lived them to begin with.

(The break is the divide between tweets 11 and 12 - there’s no removal of meaningful text here]

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Message 145 of 200 (883098)
11-06-2020 2:11 AM
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11-06-2020 2:00 AM


Re: Meanwhile The Apologetic "Prophets" Whom You Call Satanic
So how is Trump going to win? So far unsubstantiated accusations of fraud haven’t done well in the courts, and that is his main strategy.

All he is doing is insulting America and democracy.


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Message 147 of 200 (883100)
11-06-2020 2:27 AM
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11-06-2020 2:18 AM


Re: Meanwhile The Apologetic "Prophets" Whom You Call Satanic
Lies and corruption conquering the truth is neither justice nor Christian - not anything I think that Jesus would support.

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Message 150 of 200 (883104)
11-06-2020 8:05 AM


Tweets from a “non-partisan poll challenger” describing what is going on on Detroit.

Republican challengers first tried delaying the count, then challenging every ballot. All while more Trump supporters tried to force their way in.

This is where the Republicans are. Democracy be damned, they must win and any notion of fairness or decency can get in the way.


  
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Message 166 of 200 (883123)
11-07-2020 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by vimesey
11-07-2020 12:48 PM


It’s hard to build bridges with people who actively hate you.

Trump is going to continue to raise bogus lawsuits to try to steal the election and plenty of his supporters back the effort. Rudy Giuliani announced a major lawsuit in Philadelphia, a little while ago.

The Republican Party should change their name, since they)re now openly trying to destroy the Republic.


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Message 170 of 200 (883127)
11-07-2020 2:24 PM
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11-07-2020 2:11 PM


Re: Temper Trumptums
He can mess up the Covid response even more. He can refuse to sign another stimulus Bill. He can go through with his recent executive order and put even more of his loyalists into the civil service, replacing people who can actually do the job. He can refuse to cooperate with Biden’s Transition Team, and secretly order his people to obstruct them. He can continue to inflame his supporters with his talk of Biden “stealing the vote” - and who knows what trouble that will cause into Biden’s term ?

But the chickens will be coming home to roost on the Covid front, well before Biden takes office. America has seen record numbers of new cases on each of the last three days (including Mark Meadows, Trump’s Chief of Staff). I think that things are going to get bad for the U.S. Over here, Boris may be an incompetent clown, but at least he’s taking action.


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Message 183 of 200 (883149)
11-08-2020 11:12 AM
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11-08-2020 11:03 AM


Re: I Beg Your Pardon?
Don’t believe that the Democrats are not worried about China. Obama was going for the Trans-Pacific Partnership to counter Chinese influence. Trump dropped out of that.

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Message 189 of 200 (883769)
01-10-2021 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Sarah Bellum
01-10-2021 9:19 AM


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But your political position is what determines where you think the "balance point" should be!

Then I guess that makes me a Centrist.

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Or . . . wait a minute . . . are you talking about the distribution of political opinion in the electorate? Justices should be about half-and-half Republican and Democrat?

No, roughly half conservative (which the Republican Party largely isn’t now) and roughly half liberal.

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So that if, say, one ninth of the population believed in white supremacy you'd support the nomination of one justice (out of nine) who is an avowed white supremacist? How about the people who believe religion should be taught in public schools? How about the global warming "deniers"?

You do like inventing strawmen.


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