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Author Topic:   President Elect Joseph Biden. 2021 and Beyond.
Phat
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Message 1 of 23 (883141)
11-08-2020 10:18 AM


I wanted to start a fresh thread on our new President which focuses more on what he is doing and saying and the big job that he has ahead of him in 2021 and beyond.
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Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. is an American politician and president-elect of the United States. Having defeated incumbent Donald Trump in the 2020 United States presidential election, he will be inaugurated as the 46th president in January 2021.

In this thread I want to NOT focus on Trump. As Percy said, the witch is dead. He may throw a few more fits, but unless he starts a war or pulls some other shit, his day is done come January. Anyone who wants to talk about him please take it to the Trump Presidency thread started by Percy, where we have 4375 messages of empty tweets, broken campaign promises, and utter bullshit from what will likely go down in history as one of the worst presidencies of modern times. Sleepy Joe is waking up and has a lot of work to do, so lets focus on him and news about him and his transition team in this topic. Im sick of Trump.

So to start this thing off, I think that our new president has a lot of work to do, and I worry that there will be an inevitable post 2020 recession/depression as the Bill becomes due from the necessary corrections and policies enacted during COVID 19. Of course the Republicans have another two months to begin blaming the Democrats for the changes, but keep in mind that these changes were initiated by the policies of the previous administration as well as COVID 19.

Feel free to contribute. We have a lot of brainpower here at EvC and now that most of our trolls are suspended indefinitely, my hope is that this topic can remain positive and focused as we transition into a New Year, New Hope, and as we deal with the damage and the messes of our past.

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Edited by Phat, : sloppy spelling mistakes


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Phat
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Message 3 of 23 (883143)
11-08-2020 10:37 AM


So Whats On Joes Plate?
What are some of the issues that you feel need to be addressed besides COVID 19?
I am so glad that we are more united again as a nation. I c ould feel the change at work All of my customers were giddy and optimistic apart from a temper tantrum thrown by one guy at self checkout who was yelling and shouting as if he was filled with sheer hate about life and about himself.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


  
Phat
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Message 4 of 23 (883144)
11-08-2020 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tangle
11-08-2020 10:35 AM


Focus: Bridges Not Walls
I think that the so called Wall will become a non-issue. Of course we still have to monitor our borders and from what I have heard, human trafficking has decreased dramatically since even parts of the border were better enforced. That all being said, we need the Mexicans. They are part of our future.

Lets just try and get the ones who need to work and wish to become legal, either through citizenship or by green cards and workers permits. We dont need an open stream of humanity flowing into the US due to a broken world. Hopefully, President Elect Biden will allow a consensus of opinion within his government which will help shape this policy.

Tangle writes:

Biden won by not being Trump.

. True Dat. I think it will be so refreshing to again have a rational man as president who has no ego and does not dominate the news through his own personal opinions but allows a freely flowing exchange of ideas without firing everyone.

Edited by Phat, : better worded


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 6 of 23 (883146)
11-08-2020 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by PaulK
11-08-2020 10:44 AM


Re: The Covid crisis
PaulK writes:

We do know that Biden will listen to scientific advice, and will be happy to sign further stimulus bills.

True, but stimulus checks are band-aids at best. We still have a helluva bill to pay and it may well turn out that Mr. Trump allowed the bill to increase far worse than Obama ever did. Of course COVID 19 can be blamed but the National Debt may end up being a major problem once our taxes wont even pay the interest.

Shall we reverse the Corporate Tax cuts or will that trash our industrial base even further? One thing I do agree on that the conservatives champion is the idea that you cannot tax your way to an economic recovery.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 9 of 23 (883153)
11-08-2020 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
11-08-2020 11:51 AM


No Reparations,Joe. And watch out for Kamala.
You can tax your way to survival Phat and every other industrial nation does it.
Survival sounds like a bare minimum strategy. America2wants to remain in its position as a leader and not simply a bit player like Britain or France. We don't want China to run the world nor do we like their idea of Capitalism It is ruthless and favors the evolved fittest. It is every man for himself.

OK so maybe Trump lied to his base. Maybe he made them promises that he had no intention of fulfilling. I seriously doubt whether the small businessmen got much of a tax break. I know that Safeway didnt pass anything on down to us, and if it was not for COVID 19 we would be shutting down more stores and squeezing out the union. And yet they let $2700.00 a day in shoplifting walk right out the door.

I'm glad that the Democrats won the election, and hope that my union becomes stronger and that the workers in society get a break rather than being scared of offending the thieves. Its this whole attitude of reparations and paying off the cultures whom our great granddads exploited. You and I talked about the Native Americans before. And hey...I am all for equal rights, but I'm not paying off any bills for ancient broken treaties or disenfranchised black people.

They need to get over their feelings and get to work like the rest of us. We all are in this together. And the union is the fairest way. Seniority does not6 mean privilege or favoritism. It simply means that you get first pick over hours and scheduling and that you earn a wage coinciding with your years of experience rather than a special favor since you got left behind at school.[/rant]

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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 11 of 23 (883159)
11-08-2020 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by jar
11-08-2020 4:29 PM


Re: No Reparations,Joe. And watch out for Kamala.
Reality is based in part on votes. and you can bet your bottom dollar that a majority of Americans are not in favor of reparations. Reality suggests that I am not liable for anything in the distant past.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 23 of 23 (883393)
12-04-2020 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Percy
12-02-2020 6:07 PM


Re: An Op-Ed Piece Worth Reading
That is a good article. I am cautiously optimistic that we elected the best man. I know what Trump was like and this team looks sharper and more balanced.

We will still have a giant financial correction at some point in the next four years, but it won't be Biden's fault.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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