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I'm not getting on his case for bringing up demons. That's a whole nother topic for a whole nother day.
 I'm challenging his warped concept of attacking the Bible as satanically inspired by quoting what to me looks like an uninspired source of his own. In all likelihood, celestialGyoud is little more than a troll. Now your assertion that one's brain chemicals can and do become unbalanced, thus spinning incredulous yarns of assertions regarding spirituality and a basic belief in the supernatural over the more rational and sane view which secular humanism espouses is a valid concern, and I myself will likely become a prime target. lets carry on in the name of science, logic, reason, reality, and the actual magic of belief.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Personally I think you yourself are oppressed by evil spirits. The rest of the Forum would likely think that both of us are mentally ill!
Its all about perspective."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Paul, I think you are conflating what ICANT believes and says versus what The Golden Child says.
We all know that ICANT is conservative Protestant. Im not sure what the Golden Archangel is, but it is likely a fringe cultic offshoot of the R CC tradition. Or he is simply fully deluded and occultic. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18539 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.0 |
Golden writes: If the books and translations are largely demonic, how would we ever be able to arrive at confirming our belief in One? And is MY One YOUR One? But if you know that the truth is one then you will ask a question whose correct answer is Yes or No, based on evidence that must be provided. I will say it again right now...My One is The Creator of all seen and unseen whose son is Jesus (who actually represents Gods character) and that according to Acts 4:12 there is no other name in the running. ICANT likely agrees with me. I will be interested to hear your response. I know what the liberal elitists will say...but they never had One to begin with. ."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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ringo writes: Who is "they"? The authors of the book or the peddlers of the book? And who are you? For example, the doctrine of "the Fall" directly contradicts what God said in Genesis 3:22. Their fruits are lies. Second, who do YOU say that God is?1) A character in a book written by "them"? 2) Or are you in fact narrating the book and expecting people to swallow what you say hook line and sinker? Because the fact remains that you too are peddling the book. And nobody is listening. I CANT is a Pastor. You are some smart aleck frrom Canada who rejected Christianity and yet peddles your own brand of wisdom. You and jar both have fruit full of flies. Get out of ringo, demon! You have no power or authority to sway the masses in Jesus name. There may be hope for you yet ringo if you renounce that demon.  Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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Phat Member Posts: 18539 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.0 |
To be fair, "These people"...yourself included...have the same old tired counter-arguments. Why do you think I wont be spending as much time here.?
You all want me to change and "think" more l;ike you...and I want you to see the light that is so obvious to me. It takes two to Tangle. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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What you are possessed by is your own fear of a world with no Daddy. I can serve and volley this argument all day. What *you* are possessed by is the possibility that you do have a Daddy who is over your own ego and intellect. It sure isnt me....we both know that! And it isnt jar...though he thinks his logic, reason, and reality itself gets him closer to a GOD whom he has no idea as to the scope of or personal relationship with. See...to you guys GOD is at best an armchair philosophical concept invented by humans and can be thrown away and examined as a discarded mythos of early humanity. You find comfort in the idea that GOD if GOD exists is at best unknowable. See? This is why need to get away from EvC and work on my own projects. Perhaps I do have an inner fear that there might be no God, but in my belief were there no God,Creation, physical matter, and the very universe itself would also not exist. God is far more than a human concept.
I have already denounced all demons. Ain't no such thing as demons.
Fair enough.
All I do is invite people to read what the Bible says. Oh DO you now? Fair enough.
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words writes: So explain to me what the Bible actually says about demons.
DEMON, DEMONIAC 1. daimon NT:1142, "a demon," signified, among pagan Greeks, an inferior deity, whether good or bad. In the NT it denotes "an evil spirit." It is used in Matt 8:31, mistranslated "devils." Some would derive the word from a root da--, meaning "to distribute." More probably it is from a similar root da--, meaning "to know," and hence means "a knowing one." 2. daimonion NT:1140, not a diminutive of daimon, No. 1, but the neuter of the adjective daimonios, pertaining to a demon, is also mistranslated "devil," "devils." In Acts 17:18, it denotes an inferior pagan deity. "Demons" are the spiritual agents acting in all idolatry. The idol itself is nothing, but every idol has a "demon" associated with it who induces idolatry, with its worship and sacrifices, 1 Cor 10:20-21; Rev 9:20; cf. Deut 32:17; Isa 13:21; 34:14; 65:3,11. They disseminate errors among men, and seek to seduce believers, 1 Tim 4:1. As seducing spirits they deceive men into the supposition that through mediums (those who have "familiar spirits," Lev 20:6,27, e. g.) they can converse with deceased human beings. Hence the destructive deception of spiritism, forbidden in Scripture, Lev 19:31; Deut 18:11; Isa 8:19. "Demons" tremble before God, James 2:19; they recognized Christ as Lord and as their future Judge, Matt 8:29; Luke 4:41. Christ cast them out of human beings by His own power. His disciples did so in His name, and by exercising faith, e. g., Matt 17:20. Acting under Satan (cf. Rev 16:13-14), "demons" are permitted to afflict with bodily disease, Luke 13:16. Being unclean they tempt human beings with unclean thoughts, Matt 10:1; Mark 5:2; 7:25; Luke 8:27-29; Rev 16:13; 18:2, e. g. They differ in degrees of wickedness, Matt 12:45. They will instigate the rulers of the nations at the end of this age to make war against God and His Christ, Rev 16:14. Liar. I have told you many times that I didn't "reject" Christianity. It died a natural death, like the Tooth Fairy. Note how you call me (and the apologists and much of the church) the liars. Yet what does the Bible say? Shall we go there?
Jesus, speaking to the unbelieving Jews writes: You and jar call truth a lie and you twist what most believers see as truth and call it(the scripture itself) according to how YOUR Daddy sees it. But it was he who was a liar from the beginning. The snake may be but a metaphor, but it reflects the character of your teachings. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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goldenlightArchangel writes: I would cautiously agree except to say that the enemy(other spirit which also operates through many humans) tried to sabotage the scriptures and writings yet was largely unsuccessful. The church councils got rid of the heresy such as Gnosticism, Arianism, and other corrupted New Age mumbo jumbo that any believer can discern upon study and reflection.
There is enough evidence that the bible was changed to demonic mis-translations.\In the recent thousand years the very badly revised and corrected sentences called biblical that have been offered for the World do not look in no way friendly and fair, but very egotistical, bipolar and unrighteous. Yes there are some parts of the modern Bible that reflect the culture of that day which was no more perfect and likely far more biased and prejudiced than our current culture.(in some ways)
What if the government starts judging every man for his belief ... Would you call it righteousness? Not at all. The government has no right to judge (and thus tax) my giving, nor do they have a right to insist that I be Christian or Atheist. There is not now nor should be a unified global standard for morality beyond laws designed to protect basic human rights...but even this is a slippery slope. Free speech vs indoctrination, for example.(or for you, Tangle...Transformation )
The foundation of christianism, which is founded in redemption or Redentione (a Roman doctrine that believes in payment of a price in exchange for forgiveness) is demonic, I would of course challenge that assumption and ask what foundational worldview are *you* coming from? You of course have a right to your opinion or belief, but I have every right to challenge it."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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