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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 31 of 59 (883214)
11-15-2020 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-15-2020 12:59 PM


Re: Real justice does not declare anyone righteous for his\her belief
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. About ALEPH TAV, which means the first and the last.

Alta (Aleph\Tav) Gyahaveh, (unlike the scribes\theologians and doctorated) does not use a common generic designation (god or elohiym=oracle) in reference to ELYON or EL Shadday.

On the contrary, Gyahaveh only utilized a common generic designation, god or elohiym, when referring to the god(s) and idols\god(s) of the nations

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After the death of Ahab, Moab rebelled against Yishrael and Ahaziah had fallen through the latticed window of his upper room in Samaria and was injured. So he sent messengers instructing them: Go consult of baal-zebub elohiym of Ekron, if I will recover from this injury. –– But the angel of יהוה said to ELIJAH the Tishbite

Go and meet the messengers of the king of Samaria and ask them, Is it because there is no EL [ ELYON ] in Yisrael that you are going to consult the word of baal-zebub elohiym of Ekron? Therefore, this is what יהוה says: You will not get up from your sickbed and you will certainly die. Then ELIJAH left. The messengers returned to the king, who asked them, Why have you come back?

They replied, A man came to meet us and said: Go back to the king who sent you and declare to him:This is what יהוה says: Is it because there is no EL [ ELYON ] in Yishrael that you're sending these men to consult of baal-zebub elohiym of Ekron? Therefore, you will not get up from your sickbed and you will certainly die. The king asked them: What sort of man came up to meet you and spoke those words to you? They replied, A hairy man with a leather belt around his waist. He said It's ELIJAH the Tishbite.

So king Ahaziah sent a captain of 50 with his 50 men to ELIJAH. When the captain went up to him, he was sitting on top of the hill.
He announced,

- man of elohiym\god, the king declares: Come down!

ELIJAH responded to the captain of the 50: But if I am a man of ELYON [ the highest ] then who will go down is a bolt of lightning from heaven to consume you and your 50 men. Then a discharge came down from heaven and consumed him and his 50 [men]. So the king sent another captain of 50 with his 50 men to ELIJAH. He took in the situation and announced,

- man of elohiym\god, this is what the king says: Come down right now!

ELIJAH responded to the captain of the 50: But if I am a man of ELYON [ the highest ] then who will go down is a bolt of lightning from heaven and consume you and your 50 men.
So celestial lightning came down from heaven and consumed him and his 50 men. Then the king sent a third captain of 50 with his 50 [men].
The third captain of 50 went up and fell on his knees in front of ELIJAH and begged him:

- O holy man, please let my life and the lives of these 50 servants of yours be precious in your sight. Already the bolt of lightning has come down from heaven and consumed the first two captains of 50 with their fifties, but this time let my life be precious in your sight.

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Message 32 of 59 (883220)
11-16-2020 12:59 PM


All of this reminds me of the Great Bikini Bottom schism that rocked the dedicated and true followers of the Words of Stephen Hillenburg.

It was long foretold that a Sponge would one day be sent to our world by the Great Hillenburg, and would found the greatest cartoon show of our age - and lo it came to pass that The Divine Squarepants did descend to Bikini Bottom, and thus was Spongebob Squarepants born.

Worshipers flocked unto the Yellow One with the Right Angles, and the Cartoon became a hit. And a HIT was the Word and the Word was HIT. And the worshipers of Spongebob did chant the Word.

But it was not long before his worshipers in France did begin to chant after the Word HIT, the Word BULLES with reverence to the many bubbles which rose around the Great Fry Chef.

And soon, the two factions of the worshipers of Hillenburg fought devastating and protracted wars, with spatulas and ketchup bottles, vying for supremacy in the great schism.

Eventually, after centuries of conflict, the forces of French Spongebobism triumphed, and the Great Treatise of La Tour Eiffel was settled, confirming that ever after, the true worship of Hillenburg would not only include reference to the bubbles, but also that the Words would be uttered in the correct order: BULLES HIT


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

  
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Message 33 of 59 (883251)
11-23-2020 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by goldenlightArchangel
05-24-2019 11:27 AM


Re: THE NAME OF THE LAMB MEANS YHWH IS THE SALVATION - Not a messiah or second person
Hi goldenlight

goldenlight writes:

atmosphere of the mistranslations

Yes there have been a lot of those in the last hundred years.

But how do you tell what has been mistranslated from the older texts?

goldenlight writes:

It is all appreciated by the believers because of the unholy or demonic proposal that You are saved as long as You consent that a price would have been paid and your debts were transferred to a second person, which means "You are forgiven (your entire account is cleared up) as long as, in exchange, you accept and consent to a sacrifice that kills an innocent or firstborn.

Could you explain where you get all that information from?

goldenlight writes:

So If you accept jesus as proposed by the believers in the church or as it is presented by the sacred vulgate (a holy bible that was changed to demonic mistranslations) then you consent to a sacrifice that kills an innocent or firstborn in exchange for forgiveness.

What Bible are you reading? Or who are you listening too?

God only has one requirement for a person to receive eternal life.

He has offered a free full pardon to anyone who will receive it.

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled twice that a pardon is not in effect until it has been accepted. No one can be made to accept a pardon.

God has and is offering you a free full pardon if you will accept it.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 34 of 59 (883252)
11-23-2020 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
05-25-2019 2:12 PM


Doctrines
Hi ringo

ringo writes:

By their fruits ye shall know them. That's how we know that so many Christian doctrines are bogus.

What specific doctrines are you referring too?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 35 of 59 (883253)
11-23-2020 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by goldenlightArchangel
11-14-2020 1:04 PM


Re: The truth is only one
Hi goldenlight

goldenlight writes:

CODEX VATICANUS

The CODEX VATICANUS is a modified LXX old testament with new testament added and both being modified as late as 1400 AD.

Since the Pope as the head of the church is God He can change anything He wants to change.

You should be able to understand by those two comments I would not even consider the CODEX VATICANUS as God's Word even though it would contain some of God's words.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 36 of 59 (883255)
11-24-2020 5:17 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
11-23-2020 10:11 PM


Re: The truth is only one
quote:
The CODEX VATICANUS is a modified LXX old testament with new testament added and both being modified as late as 1400 AD.

That’s misleading. There are late replacements for lost material, but aside from that the latest corrections are 10th or 11th Centuries. However, the bulk of it is 4th Century.

quote:
Since the Pope as the head of the church is God He can change anything He wants to change.

This may be the doctrine of your lunatic fringe Catholic cult, but it is certainly not the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

quote:
You should be able to understand by those two comments I would not even consider the CODEX VATICANUS as God's Word even though it would contain some of God's words.

That’s odd because your comments claim that the Pope is God, and imply that the Pope ordered the changes. So I see the exact opposite in your comments.


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Phat
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Message 37 of 59 (883257)
11-24-2020 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by PaulK
11-24-2020 5:17 AM


Re: The truth is only one
Paul, I think you are conflating what ICANT believes and says versus what The Golden Child says. We all know that ICANT is conservative Protestant. Im not sure what the Golden Archangel is, but it is likely a fringe cultic offshoot of the R CC tradition. Or he is simply fully deluded and occultic.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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Phat
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Message 38 of 59 (883258)
11-24-2020 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by goldenlightArchangel
11-14-2020 1:04 PM


Re: The truth is only one
Golden writes:

But if you know that the truth is one then you will ask a question whose correct answer is Yes or No, based on evidence that must be provided.

If the books and translations are largely demonic, how would we ever be able to arrive at confirming our belief in One? And is MY One YOUR One?

I will say it again right now...My One is The Creator of all seen and unseen whose son is Jesus (who actually represents Gods character) and that according to Acts 4:12 there is no other name in the running. ICANT likely agrees with me. I will be interested to hear your response. I know what the liberal elitists will say...but they never had One to begin with.

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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 39 of 59 (883260)
11-24-2020 2:00 PM
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11-24-2020 1:46 PM


Re: The truth is only one
quote:
Paul, I think you are conflating what ICANT believes and says versus what The Golden Child says

Perhaps you can tell me where GoldenLightArchangel says that the Pope is God or approves of changes made to the Bible? He seems to disapprove:

Message 1

There is enough evidence that the bible was changed to demonic mistranslations.

quote:
We all know that ICANT is conservative Protestant.

I know that he’s dishonest and perfectly willing to twist the Bible into his own weird imaginings. Oh, maybe that does make him a “conservative Protestant”.

quote:
Im not sure what the Golden Archangel is, but it is likely a fringe cultic offshoot of the R CC tradition.

That is not likely at all. After all, he’s not the one claiming that the Pope is God. That is ICANT.


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Message 40 of 59 (883261)
11-24-2020 2:13 PM
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11-24-2020 2:00 PM


Re: The truth is only one
Perhaps you can tell me where GoldenLightArchangel says that the Pope is God or approves of changes made to the Bible?
By golly you are right!

I couldn't imagine ICANT saying that...it appears he was being sarcastic. Often we protestants read into Roman Catholicism that they see the Pope has Gods representative on earth whereas we believe that (The Representative is) the Holy Spirit rather than the holy see.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 41 of 59 (883262)
11-24-2020 2:25 PM
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11-24-2020 2:13 PM


Re: The truth is only one
It’s an odd sort of sarcasm, since there is no reason to believe that the Pope had anything to do with any supposed changes in Vaticanus - it was quite possibly in Byzantium until the 15th Century (there’s no record of it in Rome until late in that century, after Byzantium fell).

It’s even more odd, since GoldenLightArchangel is arguing that Vaticanus is evidence that the changes he objects to date to the 4th Century and took place in the Eastern Empire.

It’s a total disconnect.


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Message 42 of 59 (883263)
11-24-2020 3:46 PM
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11-24-2020 2:25 PM


Re: The truth is only one
The issue may be simply the Phat (and or ICANT) thinks that there was some "CHRISTIANITY™" just as they seem to think there is some BIBLE™. The Roman Catholicism was different than the Eastern Catholicism just as the Celtic/Aryan Christianity was different then either of those. The Trinitarian Christianity was quite different than the Non-Trinitarian Christianity as an additional irritant.

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Message 43 of 59 (883265)
11-24-2020 4:00 PM
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11-24-2020 3:46 PM


Re: The truth is only one
I don’t think so. More likely ICANT is programmed to attack Vaticanus (complete with the idiotic lie about the Pope) and utterly failed to understand the point GoldenLightArchangel was making.

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Message 44 of 59 (883268)
11-25-2020 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by PaulK
11-24-2020 5:17 AM


Re: The truth is only one
Hi Paul

Paulk writes:

That’s odd because your comments claim that the Pope is God, and imply that the Pope ordered the changes. So I see the exact opposite in your comments.

Have you ever read anything I wrote about the Bible?

I do not believe the Pope is God. But many believe that when the Pope speaks it is the same as God speaking as his word carries just as much authority as God's Word.

By the way I am not Catholic.

God Bless


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 45 of 59 (883269)
11-25-2020 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by ICANT
11-25-2020 1:10 AM


Re: The truth is only one
quote:
Have you ever read anything I wrote about the Bible?

Yes, it’s how I know you are dishonest (and don’t really care about the Bible).

quote:
I do not believe the Pope is God.

You said otherwise. When it had nothing to do with the point you were responding to. Nobody else was talking about the Pope at all.

quote:
But many believe that when the Pope speaks it is the same as God speaking as his word carries just as much authority as God's Word.

No they don’t.

quote:
By the way I am not Catholic.

But you’ll claim that the Pope is God for no sensible reason. Got it.


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