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Message 4367 of 4573 (882837)
10-20-2020 5:17 AM


The Foxconn failure in Wisconsin
In 2017 Wisconsin struck a deal with Foxconn (a Taiwanese company, noted for assembling iPhones) to build a large LCD manufacturing plant. Trump hailed it as the Eighth Wonder of the World.
Three years later Foxconn has delivered very little in the way of jobs - and likely never will.
The Verge reports.
The building Foxconn calls an LCD factory about 1/20th the size of the original plan is little more than an empty shell. In September, Foxconn received a permit to change its intended use from manufacturing to storage.
Even the handful of jobs the company claims to have created are less than real: many of them held by people with nothing to do, hired so the company could reach the number required for it to get tax subsidy payments from Wisconsin.
It was not a good deal - for the state - even if it had worked out:
In a best-case scenario, the Legislative Fiscal Bureau found the state wouldn’t break even until 2043.
Of course it was great for the Republicans- big promises of thousands of hi-tech jobs and huge investment.
People were practically forced out of their homes - for nothing.
Residents were pushed from their homes under threat of eminent domain and dozens of houses bulldozed to clear property Foxconn doesn’t know what to do with.
Since the agreement the governorship has changed hands. But rather than taking responsibility for their disaster the Republicans - in state and in Washington - are trying to stifle investigation and cast blame elsewhere.
Much more in the story.

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Message 4376 of 4573 (883181)
11-12-2020 3:11 AM


Trump, a scammer to the end
Reuters
Trump is raising funds to support his efforts fight Biden’s victory. Except that a lot of the money will go elsewhere.
A donor would have to give more than $8,000 before any money goes to the recount account established to finance election challenges, including recounts and lawsuits over alleged improprieties
And where does that money really go?
A large portion of the money goes to Save America, a Trump leadership PAC, or political action committee, set up on Monday, and the Republican National Committee (RNC).
Supporters argue that the money is going to a cause that the donors would be happy with. To which I say - why hide it in the small print? Small donors won’t see ANY of their money going to the headline cause.
And is it even true?
A 2018 report by the Campaign Legal Center and Issue One, two groups that advocate campaign finance reform, said some leadership PACs have been used as vehicles to subsidize lavish lifestyles of politicians on their donors’ dimes.
Let’s also note that Trump has some big debts coming due next year, and potential trouble with lenders.
The Republican Party in North Carolina is running a similar scam. Trump is winning there, so they certainly don’t intend to ask for recounts. (Of course, North Carolina is the State with the most serious examples of electoral fraud to occur in recent years, but the Republicans won’t want to talk about that either.)

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Message 4378 of 4573 (883183)
11-12-2020 12:12 PM
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Re: Trump, a scammer to the end
It explains why the lawsuits are so unremittingly awful. They are just theatre to convince the marks to fork up - when their money won’t even be used for that. The RNC get their cut, the rest likely goes into Trump’s pocket.

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Message 4387 of 4573 (883223)
11-17-2020 3:51 PM


Pennsylvania
The court case is on hold while they sort out technical issues.
Giuliani ranted a lot about fraud, but didn’t do much with the case. The other lawyers on his side declined to say anything (which is not a good sign for Giuliani). Law twitter’s rating - mediocre at best,
An opposing lawyer was dealing with the actual case. Pointing out the voters who were denied the chance to cure absentee ballots should be suing the counties who refused them, not other counties (nor trying to get votes thrown out).
In the meantime the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has ruled that the distancing of observers was legal, which is a major part of the case here. I’m not sure that a Federal Court would want to overrule a State Supreme Court on that without a very strong reason (as I understand it the States have the power to organise the electoral procedures).

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Message 4388 of 4573 (883224)
11-17-2020 5:44 PM
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11-17-2020 3:51 PM


Re: Pennsylvania
And this just gets pathetic.
Giuliani says that millions of votes should get thrown out because two people were prevented from voting (they weren’t offered the chance to fix defects in their ballots). But they aren’t suing the people who prevented them because they did nothing wrong.
I guess any stupid excuse to steal the election for Trump works for the deplorables. I hope that anyone else who voted for Trump sees this and wakes up.

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Message 4390 of 4573 (883226)
11-18-2020 2:04 AM


More corruption of government
Chris Krebs, director of CISA (Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency) has been holding the line, refusing to agree with Trump’s lies about electoral fraud, or the conspiracy theories promoted by others on the Right.
CISA Rumor Control
Reality: Robust safeguards including canvassing and auditing procedures help ensure the accuracy of official election results.
Rumor: A bad actor could change election results without detection
Reality: Voter registration list maintenance and other election integrity measures protect against voting illegally on behalf of deceased individuals.
Rumor: Votes are being cast on behalf of dead people and these votes are being counted.
Reality: Variations in vote totals for different contests on the same ballot occur in every election and do not by themselves indicate fraud or issues with voting technology.
Rumor: More votes in one contest than other contests on the ballot means that results cannot be trusted.
Reality: The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) do not design or audit ballots, which are processes managed by state and local election officials.
Rumor: DHS or CISA printed paper ballots with security measures and is auditing results as a countermeasure against ballot counterfeiting.
Reality: Election results reporting may occur more slowly than prior years. This does not indicate there is any problem with the counting process or results. Official results are not certified until all validly cast ballots have been counted, including ballots that are counted after election night.
Rumor: If results as reported on election night change over the ensuing days or weeks, the process is hacked or compromised, so I can’t trust the results.
As expected, he’s been fired for it.
As we saw with the hurricane sharpiegate civil servants are expected to lie for Trump. This is Trump acting like a dictator again, and this is why his Executive Order converting more civil service positions to political appointments is a potential disaster for America.

  
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Message 4391 of 4573 (883231)
11-19-2020 1:13 PM


Insanity from Trump’s lawyer
No, not Giuliani. Apparently Sidney Powell is alleging that Hugo Chavez masterminded the plot to steal the election. Which is pretty good going for somebody who died in 2013.

  
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Message 4408 of 4573 (883298)
11-26-2020 9:06 AM


The Kraken Has Been Unleashed
And apparently the plan is to make opponents laugh themselves to death.
Sidney Powell’s latest batshit lawsuit manages to misspell District. Twice. In the header of the complaint.
I’m sure that’s an indication of quality legal work...

  
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Message 4413 of 4573 (883310)
11-27-2020 2:15 AM


#DiaperDon proves that he deserves the name
Trump noticed that the #DiaperDon hashtag was trending on Twitter and threw a childish tantrum. Demanding the immediate repeal of Section 230 on the grounds of National Security.

  
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Message 4414 of 4573 (883328)
11-28-2020 7:59 AM


So much winning!
The recount in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin is complete - with a net gain of 132 votes. For Biden.
Was that really worth more than a million dollars?

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Message 4419 of 4573 (883353)
12-01-2020 7:53 AM
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12-01-2020 7:32 AM


Re: Even If Trump WAS Your Real Problem Would You Lie?
But have they got any real evidence? Every legal case has either refused to allege fraud or come up with a pile of nonsense. And if there was fraud in Arizona and not the other states it wouldn’t change the outcome.
I do not think that actual fraud big enough to tilt a state election occurred. And if it did it was more likely the Republicans - practically every proven case in recent years has been Republican fraud. If it did happen I don’t think it was justified despite the dangers of four more years of Trump.
But Trump claiming fraud - as he always does when an election doesn’t go the way he wants is just divisive and destructive. Trump and his supporters have a lot to answer for on that count. As is the violent rhetoric, such as the idea that Chris Krebs (Message 4390) should be executed for going against the fraud narrative,

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Message 4425 of 4573 (883361)
12-01-2020 1:19 PM
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12-01-2020 12:22 PM


Re: Even If Trump WAS Your Real Problem Would You Lie?
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just out of curiosity do you believe that republicans in general are any more evil than liberals??
I’d say that Republican politicians are in general worse, and those enabling Trump are definitely worse. Really, how can splitting the country with the false fraud narrative not be an awful thing? Especially when there are Trump supporters calling for the deaths of civil servants that don’t toe the Trump party line?
This is not to say that the Democrats are automatically good. But I don’t think they’ve done anything that bad.

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Message 4426 of 4573 (883369)
12-02-2020 12:31 AM
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Re: Even If Trump WAS Your Real Problem Would You Lie?
To emphasise the point that it is not all Republicans Gabriel Stirling, an election official in Georgia has spoken up, asking Trump to stop inspiring people to commit violence. And I bet the death threats from Trump supporters have already started.

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Message 4427 of 4573 (883433)
12-08-2020 9:16 AM


More bad Republicans
In Florida, Governor diSantis lifted Coronavirus restrictions. Rebekah Jones was ordered to manipulate the data to cover up the problems. She refused and was fired for it. She blew the whistle and started an independent report.
Now she’s been raided by armed State Police with drawn weapons. Her computers have been confiscated. All because she is alleged to have sent a bulk message to state employees urging them to whistle-blow on the ongoing data manipulation. Security on the system is laughable - there is a single user Id and password which everyone uses.
These are Gestapo tactics. There is no excuse.
Cory Doctorow reports here with links:

  
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Message 4428 of 4573 (883434)
12-08-2020 9:45 AM


And in a further strike against the Republic
Texas is suing Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin on the grounds that States aren’t allowed to adjust voting procedures just because of an inconvenient pandemic.
Given that the Constitution assigns State legislatures the right to decide how the electors are chosen for their State that seems insane to me. But Republicans have to try anything in their quest to steal the election.
I can’t imagine the Supreme Court taking this one. Even the Texas Solicitor General (who should be taking it on) refused.

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