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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
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Message 39 of 1110 (883691)
01-06-2021 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phat
01-04-2021 1:49 PM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
Phat writes:
still no real symptoms apart from the sore arm except for that brief feeling that my lungs were on fire...similar to how chronic bronchitis feels only worse. It only lasted that first night after I received the shot, however.
Got the first dose last week (Moderna), but didn't have any reaction in my airways. Sore arm and a bit of swelling at the injection site, a bit worse than a flu shot. The 2nd dose is supposed to elicit a stronger reaction, so we will see how that goes.
Overall, absolutely worth it. Optimism is suddenly becoming more infectious.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 416 of 1110 (894208)
05-06-2022 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by Percy
05-02-2022 8:25 AM


Re: Covid Continues to Mutate
Percy writes:
The last thing a respiratory virus wants to do is kill the host. A host that's no longer breathing is no longer seeding the air with virus spawn. So lethality is selected against. A host that is too sick to get out and about among other people is not very useful to the virus. Shut-aways or hospitalized people keep the virus from spreading. So making the host too sick is also selected against.
What a respiratory virus wants most is high transmissibility combined with minimal impact on the host. A highly infected but completely functioning host is the ideal. The best host is probably one who enjoys running in crowded subways. High transmissibility and minimal severity of illness are the selection pressures on covid variants. The most transmissible variant will have a strong tendency to displace all others. If it also causes the least severe illness then that would be the ideal outcome, both for the virus and for us.
We don't yet know the severity of illness caused by the new variants, but if selection pressures can dominate over random outcomes (not guaranteed) then there is reason for hope.
I also have high hopes that Covid will become domesticated if it circulates in the human population. What still concerns me is Covid hiding out in a non-human host for a while and then hopping back to humans. This could have been how we got the Omicron variant to begin with, although I think that hypothesis has fallen out of favor as of late. Whatever happened with Omicron, it was hiding out somewhere for a while and the jump in S gene mutations was a bit worrying.

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Message 535 of 1110 (896523)
08-12-2022 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by Porkncheese
08-08-2022 6:14 AM


Re: Horay the vaccines work. We're saved
Porkncheese writes:
A discussion with people who are rude, inhumane, delusional and mentally ill is worthless.
So i just drop the facts.

Fact - They said it would give you immunity
Fact - They were wrong
Porkncheese logic.
Experts say that seatbelts will prevent injury and death in car accidents. People still die in car accidents while wearing seatbelts. Therefore, the experts are wrong.

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Message 542 of 1110 (897149)
08-29-2022 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 537 by Porkncheese
08-22-2022 2:54 AM


Re: CDC admits failure
Porkncheese writes:
Fact - They said it would provide immunity, stop you from getting covid.
False. The CDC never said that the vaccine would stop 100% of infections. Even the vaccine clinical trials only claimed 95% reduction in symptomatic infections within 2 months of receiving the vaccine.
Some very delusional people here cannot accept that simple fact even though they're fully vaxed and boosted, still wear masks, keep distance and even hold their breath
All of the people here are fully aware that vaccines are not 100% effective. No vaccine is 100%. No federal agency is claiming that vaccines are 100% effective. No scientific organization is claiming that vaccines are 100% effective. The only people making this type of irrational claim are those who are trying to misrepresent the science, like you.

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Message 557 of 1110 (901377)
11-08-2022 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by Phat
11-08-2022 5:51 PM


Re: Horray your saved
Phat writes:
I've heard that D3 made a marked difference.
There have been mixed results.
quote:
So far, 11 RCTs investigating the therapeutic effects of vitamin D in COVID-19 have reported. They are diverse with respect to study design (5 are placebo-controlled, 6 are open-label or single-blind), sample size (ranging from 30 to 543 participants), the nature of the intervention (8 investigate vitamin D3, 2 investigate 25(OH)D3 and 1 investigates 1,25(OH)2D3) and primary outcomes (mortality, duration of hospital stay, intensive care requirement, resolution of symptoms and viral clearance). Their findings are also heterogeneous: seven trials report null results, whereas four report favourable effects of the intervention on a primary or co-primary outcome. The most striking positive result comes from an open-label RCT of oral 25(OH)D3 administration conducted in 76 adults hospitalized with COVID-19 in Spain: this trial reported that just 2% of participants randomized to intervention were admitted to intensive care, as compared with 50% of those randomized to control7. However, this study is at high risk of bias, owing to imbalance in baseline characteristics and its open-label design, as knowledge of allocation could have influenced physicians’ decision to admit participants to intensive care. Moreover, background therapy (azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine) was unconventional, compromising the generalizability of results to patients receiving current standards of care. Other well-conducted RCTs (such as ref.8) have not demonstrated sustained or consistent benefits of vitamin D on mortality, intensive care requirement or duration of hospital stay.
Vitamin D for COVID-19: where are we now? | Nature Reviews Immunology
Vaccines are still, by far, the best first defense. Remdesivir and Paxlovid have both been approved for treatment with COVID infections, so those would probably be better options. Still, it won't hurt anything to top off with some vitamin D, just don't pretend that it is a valid replacement for vaccines or approved meds.

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Message 559 of 1110 (902117)
11-17-2022 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Tangle
11-07-2022 2:59 PM


Re: Horray your saved
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Based on official reported COVID-19 deaths, we estimated that vaccinations prevented 14·4 million (95% credible interval [Crl] 13·7–15·9) deaths from COVID-19 in 185 countries and territories between Dec 8, 2020, and Dec 8, 2021.
Global impact of the first year of COVID-19 vaccination: a mathematical modelling study

Those numbers could have been a lot higher if the vaccines were made available in poorer countries, but still, that's a lot of lives saved by a vaccine in a single year.

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Message 560 of 1110 (902457)
11-23-2022 5:34 PM


Republican Own Goal
Would be interesting to see if vaccines could actually make an impact in voting at some point.
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"In counties where a large share of the population is getting vaccinated, we see a much smaller gap between Republicans and Democrats," said Jacob Wallace, an author of that study and an assistant professor of health policy at the Yale School of Public Health.
Indeed, his paper found that the partisan gap in the deaths widened from April to December 2021, after all adults became eligible for Covid vaccines. Excess death rates in Florida and Ohio were 153% higher among Republicans than Democrats during that time, the paper showed.
"We really don’t see a big divide until after vaccines became widely available in our two states," Wallace said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/...publicans-democrats-why-rcna50883

  
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Message 566 of 1110 (902897)
11-28-2022 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 561 by Porkncheese
11-27-2022 2:49 AM


Re: Follow the Psyence
PorknCheese writes:
Meanwhile the vaxed are suddenly dropping all around with all cause deaths up by as high as 40% in some highly vaxed nations ...
It's as if anti-vaxxers can't even stop for a second and do some simple math.
About 79% of the US is vaccinated. If 40% have dropped dead in a country with 330 million people that would be 0.79*0.40*330E6=104E6. That's 104 million people that seemingly have died due to the vaccine in the US. Funny how no one has noticed this. Our hospitals were filled to capacity, and over capacity at times, due to people dying from COVID, and that was nowhere close to the rates anti-vaxxer fantasies are claiming for deaths due to vaccines.
This is worse than Flat Earth.
Added in edit:
Just for fun, I looked up the mortality rates for the US over the last 10 years or so:
Year	Death Rate	Growth Rate
2022	9.075	1.090%
2021	8.977	1.090%
2020	8.880	1.120%
2019	8.782	1.120%
2018	8.685	1.220%
2017	8.580	1.240%
2016	8.475	1.270%
2015	8.369	1.270%
2014	8.264	1.290%
2013	8.159	0.090%
2012	8.152	0.090%
U.S. Death Rate 1950-2022 | MacroTrends
Death rate is deaths per 1,000 people. If we use the last pre-COVID year as our benchmark, then there has been about 0.4 more deaths per 1,000 people in 2022. If all of those extra deaths are due to vaccines (which they aren't) then we are looking at a 0.04*0.79 or 0.03% increase. Again, this pushing the numbers to the extreme. 40% . . . really?

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Message 589 of 1110 (908083)
03-07-2023 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 585 by Porkncheese
03-06-2023 10:26 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Porkncheese writes:
But once the covid injections started being given out in 2021 we should see these deaths drop back down to normality.
Instead we see a continuation of high death rates and some even higher now.
What we should see is hospitalizations and deaths drop amongst those who were vaccinated, and that's exactly what we saw here in the US. In the COVID wave of late 2021 and early 2022, 90-95% of hospitalizations and deaths were amongst the unvaccinated even though the unvaccinated made up less than half the US population.
quote:
In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.
COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network
Fact of the matter is that this is a horrible trend across the world and needs thorough unbias examination and we aren't seeing it.
We aren't see an unbiased examination FROM YOU.

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Message 595 of 1110 (908206)
03-09-2023 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 592 by Porkncheese
03-07-2023 7:21 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
porkncheese writes:
Very few people really believe in these toxic shots now, this is evident from how few people are taking boosters.
All we have is fools who made a bad choice and can't admit it.
You still can't address the facts.
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In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.
COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network

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Message 599 of 1110 (908314)
03-10-2023 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 596 by Porkncheese
03-10-2023 5:27 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
porkncheese writes:
So the three most probable causes for this increase in deaths are
Covid
Lockdowns
Injections
The vaccine wasn't killing people. If that were the case then hospitals would have been filling up with people who tested negative for COVID. That wasn't the case. The hospitals filled up with people who tested positive for COVID, and >90% of them were unvaccinated.
You still can't deal with the facts. You are a liar.

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Message 607 of 1110 (908431)
03-15-2023 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 605 by Porkncheese
03-15-2023 1:18 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
porkncheese writes:
Lets continue looking at data from down under where its more of the same...
You refuse to look at data.
quote:
In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.
COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network

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