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Tangle
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Message 31 of 41 (883661)
01-04-2021 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
01-04-2021 8:37 AM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
So you think the no-show of a random customer was pre-determined then?

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Phat
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Message 32 of 41 (883662)
01-04-2021 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tangle
01-04-2021 8:41 AM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
So you think the no-show of a random customer was pre-determined then?
I think that the fact that my Mother caught COVID 19 and passed on December 20th at 200 am was predetermined by a loving intelligence. I think that the fact that I was stressed because of her illness, the fact that I said I had COVID symptoms because I vaguely felt sick several days before she passed.

The fact that I was quarantined for 10 days during Christmas. The fact that I voluntarily took a COVID test even though I was never ordered to do so. The fact that I have sleep Apnea and type 2 diabetes and qualify as a trial candidate due to my age(61) and my underlying health conditions. The fact that my Boss knew that I tested negative and was cleared for work again one week ago. Add that to the "random" cancellation and my being selected. And that I was told to keep it from the public to avoid the inevitable stampede of gray panthers who all will claim special consideration. Our phone at work is already ringing by people who demand to see the pharmacist.

We were told to tell them that there is no information regarding public availability at this time. As far as I know, only essential workers from the hospitals such as Doctors and Nurses are now receiving the vaccine.

And no information regarding our status as a COVID 19 vaccination sight as yet been announced to the public (except by me at EvC Forum. Shhhhhhh! )

The fact that you and I met as online pen pals and foils was no mere random chance, Tangle. Unless you believe that a random Christian guy ended up arguing with you about the very concept of God, Chance, Randomness, Science, and Luck was and is me.

By the way, read about the vaccine I received.

A Guide to Moderna’s COVID-19 Vaccine written through FactCheck.Org. It could well be that I was selected rather than randomly picked.

Of course if we don't know, we could simply throw the dice.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Tangle
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Message 33 of 41 (883663)
01-04-2021 9:30 AM
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01-04-2021 9:19 AM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
You're quite mad...

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 34 of 41 (883664)
01-04-2021 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Tangle
01-04-2021 9:30 AM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
No sir. I am sad that Mom passed. She was my sweetie and will forever be my sweetie eternally. But you know, Tangle...she simply stopped eating. She was 97. She passed in her sleep. And even though she never talked much about God or Jesus, her actions in life were her testimony.

Am I mad? In what way do you see me as mad? Mad as in angry? Or mad as in crazy?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Tangle
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Message 35 of 41 (883668)
01-04-2021 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Phat
01-04-2021 9:38 AM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
Phat writes:

Am I mad? In what way do you see me as mad? Mad as in angry? Or mad as in crazy?

Crazy my boy, totally bonkers.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 36 of 41 (883669)
01-04-2021 1:38 PM
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01-04-2021 1:37 PM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
Willfully bonkers.

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Phat
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Message 37 of 41 (883670)
01-04-2021 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
01-04-2021 1:38 PM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
still no real symptoms apart from the sore arm except for that brief feeling that my lungs were on fire...similar to how chronic bronchitis feels only worse. It only lasted that first night after I received the shot, however. According to my link,
quote:
Like its predecessor, the Moderna vaccine also uses an mRNA design, but it differs on the specifics, including the amount of time between doses, the amount of genetic material in each shot and the precise lipid nanoparticles that surround and protect the mRNA. That difference in fat formulation is thought to be why the Moderna vaccine doesn’t need to be kept as cold — a feature that should make it easier to distribute.(...)As with most other COVID-19 vaccine designs, the Moderna mRNA vaccine works by triggering an immune response against the SARS-CoV-2 virus’s spike protein, which sits on the surface of the virus and is what the virus uses to enter cells.

The vaccine is made of modified messenger RNA, or mRNA, wrapped in a special blend of fatty molecules known as lipid nanoparticles. The mRNA provides instructions for cells to make their own spike proteins, prompting the body to generate protective antibodies and activate other immune cells known as T cells. The lipids help deliver the RNA into cells and prevent it from being degraded too quickly.

Whereas the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine includes 30 micrograms of mRNA in each dose, Moderna’s shot has 100 micrograms; the two vaccines also use a different mix of lipids. These differences may explain why Moderna’s vaccine appears to produce more expected side effects than its competitor.


That feeling that my whole chest was on fire was scary and I am glad that it was either psycho-somatic or caused by the Vaccine than if I had COVID itself. I can only imagine the hell that some people endure with this virus.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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AZPaul3
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Message 38 of 41 (883672)
01-04-2021 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Tangle
01-04-2021 1:37 PM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
Crazy my boy, totally bonkers.

I'll second that.

We haven't had one of these in a while. Dog pile on Phat!

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 39 of 41 (883691)
01-06-2021 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phat
01-04-2021 1:49 PM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
Phat writes:

still no real symptoms apart from the sore arm except for that brief feeling that my lungs were on fire...similar to how chronic bronchitis feels only worse. It only lasted that first night after I received the shot, however.

Got the first dose last week (Moderna), but didn't have any reaction in my airways. Sore arm and a bit of swelling at the injection site, a bit worse than a flu shot. The 2nd dose is supposed to elicit a stronger reaction, so we will see how that goes.

Overall, absolutely worth it. Optimism is suddenly becoming more infectious.

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Phat
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Message 40 of 41 (883694)
01-06-2021 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by AZPaul3
01-04-2021 2:38 PM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
We haven't had one of these in a while. Dog pile on Phat!
what are we wrestling over? Covid 19? I will admit I am mad at that demon. Not the virus itself...but the inept way it was handled. But the orange one will soon be a historical footnote. Viruses will continue to appear from time to time. And people die... even those closest to our heart. But as I said before...she was 97. She died in her sleep. Just as she always wanted to go. I will love and remember her forever. And as for God? (Jesus) Am I mad at Him? What would I be mad at Him for specifically? Allowing disease to exist? Allowing Trump to exist? Past hurts and unfairness? Or just the fact that I am not in charge???

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 41 of 41 (883720)
01-08-2021 11:48 AM
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01-06-2021 11:25 PM


Re: Throwing Luck and Chance Away
Phat writes:

(Jesus) Am I mad at Him? What would I be mad at Him for specifically? Allowing disease to exist? Allowing Trump to exist? Past hurts and unfairness? Or just the fact that I am not in charge???


Well, He was in charge, wasn't He? And you said, " I will admit I am mad at that demon. Not the virus itself...but the inept way it was handled. "

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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