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The Republicans in Arizona are making a case suggesting voting fraud. Despite being struck down in Pennsylvania for baseless assertions there, they appear to have a more solid case in Arizona. It was foreknown that this election was going to be close, and my question overall is this:If there was any sort of fraud, did the means justify the end? If it meant winning the war, were the minor efforts to tip the scale and counter the Republican strategy to secure electoral votes (since they could never win the popular vote) justifiable in order to "save the Democracy"?

just out of curiosity do you believe that republicans in general are any more evil than liberals?? Because if you do we have problems. i see both ideologies as both good and evil in roughly equal measure...its just that we wrestle with different demons.

Ordinary Republicans may well be responsible for electing Trump. Hopefully most of the non-populist ones with some educational perspective and half a brain realize the error of their choice 4 years ago...but for them it was Trump or Hillary and to this day most ordinary Republicans would choose Trump (were he their only option)
In 2016 I simply did not vote. I disliked both Hillary and the Donald. In 2020 I favored Biden as the better choice largely due to Trumps utter incompetence and indifference...but am wary of the extreme Left and all that BLM reparations crap as well as the witchcraft of the LGBQT. I have nothing against being gay or being black, but I do have objections when personal feelings and general misunderstanding of who God is (they prefer humanism by and large) becomes political. The far right extremists are as troublesome as the far left idealogues. You guys think they are worse, but there are not as many uneducated nationalist rednecks as there are pissed of minorities and feminists whose major crime is ignoring the authority of God and placing themselves as such. They stir up as much trouble as the redneck racists though in a different sort of way. I see both extrtemist groups as counter productive and divisive. He likely is tired. I do not think he is finished just yet. I believe that he will become an effective leader as president6 and the scale of balance will again tilt towards the center of the political spectrum where I live. He is a spoiled brat (with Dads money initially) from a military school with an ego that eclipses his brain. We cant get him out of the way soon enough. The police in general have likely had some training since George Floyd. Hopefully they have learned crowd control. Its like walking on eggshells. The economic correction will occur later this year. One thing that the moderate republicans understand is that you need to stimulate small business. The mistake was in giving Big Business the tax breaks as well...though the late Dr.Milton Friedman understood economic reality. We cant just keep handing out stimulus checks without coming around to bite us in the wallet. We look out for our family and immediate extended family before we adopt the whole world as our brothers and sisters. It will be God who judges the intentions and motives of the collective human heart and I believe both extremes of the political ideological spectrum will be judged based on what they do with what they honestly believe. I do not see God as Spinoza did. We need to be aware of painting the opposing political spectrum from our own with too broad a brush.I am so tired of the political division in our country. Both extremes need to move towards the middle. Nationally first and globally second. And for God sake be honest with what spirit runs your head (and heart)

I'm assuming that you value the global poor before preserving the US middle class (and working class). But you guys claim Socialism is no boogieman. We in the US are a ways from it....though I worry about an ulterior motive behind global debt and the means to repay the bill(if in fact it needs to be paid). My worry is that the democrats will find ways to block economic freedom in the name of alleviating human suffering...making social payments (higher taxes) mandatory and spending the money on what republicans see as the wrong things.The political division will continue until you guys accept God or the Republicans give it all up, as ringo eagerly suggests. Jesus Himself will have to come back to straighten this whole planet out. Either that or the extreme Left will win and we will be forced to be a humanist world. Or both. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

As a moderate I hear arguments from both sides. Each side thinks they are the moral one and that the other side is evil. Thats what I see.

As one of those "intelligent evangelicals" I will share my thoughts: I viewed the news reports tonight(last night)O after I got off work. I had heard that some people were shot and killed and yet was not up on the news until now.
As many of you know, I am a political moderate.
What I witnessed thoroughly disgusted, enraged, and saddened me. Never in the history of politics have I witnessed anything as blatant and outrageous as the anarchy and lawlessness at the Nations Capital. And the facts clearly show that Trump himself incited these riots!!
I will admit that any feelings that I had regarding Trumps competency...whjch were slightly less than I had for Biden before seeing all of this....evaporated.We cant get rid of him soon enough.I will defend the conservatives in that I believe that most of them are not that evil as what I saw. I have changed my mind, however, regarding my prior belief that the Laft were the more evil of the two polar opposing ideologies. I now see greater evil in the Right, even if it is from a Populist minority.I still respeect belief as much as I do science based thinking. I believe in the authority of GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen and believe that Jesus is His human character. What I dont believe in is lawlessness and anarchy.I really hope that this new administration (which I believe will receive an orderly transfer of power) will modernize and encrypt the voting system once and for all...so that both sides can agree on the legitimacy of a peoples vote.I predict(as do others) that we will undergo a depression or long recession and reset after Covid 19 is contained and its danger minimized(hopefully by June)Spiritually, the love of many will grow cold towards religion and spirituality, but thee fervor of many will also burn hot as economic conditions worsen.I notice that Kim Jong Un is threatening America again even as his buddy Trump recedes from power. How anyone can think that Trump was a good president or favored is beyond me now. Sometimes things are not as they may have once appeared.

No one side should have all that power. What will end up happening if we are not careful is that they will swing the pendulum too far left and it will empower the right to overcorrect it yet again. I say make small changes in line with what the people can handle. If the far left gets their way, the fgar right will get antsy demanding a rematch down the road.Besides I thought you claimed to be conservative anyway!!

I can't see it happening. Surely these patriot zealots are a definite minority. Time will tell, however. And what do the33y have to be mad about? Its not as if Trump did much for their socio-economic group.I've been wrong before, however...Proud Boys, indeed! They do behave like boys rather than men. Drunk Fraternity brats on a weekend binge, if you ask me.Except for the five dead. That puts a chilling perspective on this riot...Edited by Phat, : No reason given.