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Message 143 of 176 (883889)
01-16-2021 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Phat
01-16-2021 3:17 PM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
Sheesh Phat.

There is simply NOTHING in your post that has anything to do with the topic.


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Message 147 of 176 (883901)
01-17-2021 6:51 AM
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01-17-2021 4:19 AM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
No one knows Phat; other than flowery writing by some unknown author, editor or redactor. AbE:add translator /AbE
It is an attempt at poetry and has no meaning beyond whatever the words conjure in the hearers individual mind.

AbE:

This is the topic Phat; for you or anyone who believes in the Trinitarian concept to explain what the Holy Spirit is and then try to justify the Trinitarian claim that there is but one God.

Edited by jar, : see AbE's.


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Message 152 of 176 (883909)
01-17-2021 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Phat
01-17-2021 10:37 AM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
Phat writes:

And yet how do you know that it is NOT God?

Phat, what does that even mean?

Phat writes:

Now lets take "The Holy Spirit" into the Lab. Not every scientist can simply do this because they dont *know* that such a critter exists...certainly not to the extent that they conclude this awareness...this presence or feeling of peace, wisdom, and "good vibes" towards others can be quantified. How do they know, for example that this awareness...this feeling...this attitude is anything more than gas from a bad burrito from last nights meal? (Through sensing the same presence after a night of fasting, perhaps.) Through feeling unusually generous towards others whom they otherwise may be selfish towards. Through a sense of wisdom to only help and encourage others and not to try and "win" or "judge" or feel superior towards, or anything that you (the control group) may charge to be found in any Buddhist, or Atheist, or Muslim. In summation, my point of contention is with your presentation of logic,, reason, and reality itself. Im not saying you are not right but your perspective and conclusion is not right for me. It is not how I believe and it is not how I understand reality.

Nothing in there explains what the Holy Spirit is.

You claim you are bringing the Holy Spirit into the lab yet never do so.

Think Phat, think.

You claim Monotheism makes send yet also claim three different entities are God. That is three Gods not one god. You can claim that they are all the essence of God but again, Trinitarianism and even pre Trinitarianism assert that at least two are separate critters. Jesus is the son, not the Father. Jesus sits on the Right Hand of God.

Two separate individuals.

So we are back at the same point.

What is the "Holy Spirit"?

How can 1 + 1 + 1 == 1?


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Message 154 of 176 (883915)
01-17-2021 4:06 PM
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01-17-2021 3:33 PM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
LOL

Is Jesus God?


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Message 157 of 176 (883926)
01-18-2021 7:06 AM
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01-18-2021 5:38 AM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
Phat writes:

I believe that Jesus is God...in fact that He is GODS Character.

Sorry but that statement is contradictory without explanation.

Is Jesus a separate individual?


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Message 160 of 176 (883930)
01-18-2021 11:40 AM
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01-18-2021 11:02 AM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
LOL

Stop trying to tap dance your way from the question Phat.

There's a pattern that's been obvious for over a decade that instead of addressing questions or reasoned arguments you try to palm the pea and misdirect attention towards totally irrelevant nonsense.

Is Jesus a separate individual?


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Message 163 of 176 (883938)
01-18-2021 6:19 PM
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01-18-2021 3:36 PM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
You can examine whatever you want Phat but Trinitarian Doctrine is clear and consistent as well as impossible, absurd and unsupportable.

The issue is that YOU claim to be a Trinitarian Christian therefore it is up to YOU to explain how 1 + 1 + 1 == 1 while maintaining the phantasy that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are actual entities, that each is "God" and that there is only one God.

It's simply not my problem Phat; I freely acknowledge it is absurd and impossible and irrational and illogical and yet accepted dogma marketed by the Snake Oil Medicine Men.


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Message 165 of 176 (884209)
01-27-2021 1:11 PM
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01-27-2021 12:31 PM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
Phat writes:

And again, it is not 1+1+1. It is 1x1x1.

Again Phat that is simply a complete and total refutation of what the Trinitarians depict and in fact you have used.

It's another example of the utter intentional and willful ********** of the Christian Cult of *********.

The Trinitarian absurd Triangle is based on "IS" and "ISNOT" and not some act of multiplication.

And I tried to watch the video but sorry, it was simply too silly.


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Message 167 of 176 (884213)
01-27-2021 6:04 PM
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01-27-2021 4:01 PM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
Phat writes:

Perhaps the problem is the attempts at depiction and explanation. It does not take a Rocket Scientist to explain it, but it does take a Rocket Scientist in Communion with GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen. Trinitarians believe that this Holy Communion could only have been possible through Jesus Christ.

See Phat. That's a Typical Christian Cult of ********* everybody nod your heads statement that has absolutely no meaning, no value, no content. It's just blabber.

Phat writes:

But the fact is that you are not a believer. You have no clue what it even means. Nor do any of the other religions.

You keep saying really stupid stuff like that. Again, you also never support such stupid comments with evidence or even reasoned arguments.

Phat writes:

See how your logic trips you up? You try and understand a symbol(manmade) of a belief concept that you have no clue about nor desire to understand. You simply have concluded that it makes no sense to YOUR critically thinking mind.

No Phat, try truth or honesty. Who know, you just might like it.

I have repeatedly asked you and others to explain it and NO ONE has stepped forward with anything other than utter stupidity as seen in your post above.

Phat writes:

See? You wont take thge time to listen and thus cannot have an opinion on what the man said apart from that it was silly and made no sense.

LOL

That's not my problem Phat. If there is even a single nugget or evidence or reasoned argument in that video then you should be able to present it. There is no reason that I should have to listen to some carny pitchman on the off chance that there might actually be a piece of information in there.

If the guy makes a reasoned argument then present it.


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Message 169 of 176 (884239)
01-31-2021 3:23 PM
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01-31-2021 3:16 PM


Re: What is the "Holy Spirit"?
Why is a reasoned argument never offered?

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Message 172 of 176 (884242)
01-31-2021 4:36 PM
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01-31-2021 3:49 PM


Re: What is a reasoned arguement?
What you have experienced would not and cannot be a reasoned argument unless you can explain why what you experienced was in some objective way different than other equivalent experiences that lead to a totally different and mutually exclusive result.

You would have to explain why your experience should be accepted when others had similar experiences that lead them to believe in Allah or Ganesha or Coyote or Trolls or Leprechauns or Jim Jones.

You make a specific claim that YOUR God is real but others make exactly the same claim that their God is real.

I may have asked before but what makes you believe that what you experienced was different than a bad burrito?

Phat writes:

You may encourage me to throw certain beliefs away in the name of further thought...but I could no more do it than I could forget that I had a Mother.

Is it possible to independently verify that you had a mother?

Are there ways that anyone could test to see if you had a mother?

AbE:

Are there documented cases of humans who were not born of a woman?

Since every known case of a human being is a case where that person had a mother is it not reasonable to assume that holds true in your case as well.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.

Edited by jar, : fix gremmar.

Edited by jar, : see AbE;

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title


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Message 174 of 176 (884388)
02-14-2021 4:41 PM
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02-14-2021 2:54 PM


Re: What is a reasoned arguement?
Make a reasoned argument Phat.

quote:
Is it possible to independently verify that you had a mother?

Are there ways that anyone could test to see if you had a mother?


That is a reasoned argument.

quote:
Are there documented cases of humans who were not born of a woman?

Since every known case of a human being is a case where that person had a mother is it not reasonable to assume that holds true in your case as well.


That is a reasoned argument.

You would have to explain why your experience should be accepted when others had similar experiences that lead them to believe in Allah or Ganesha or Coyote or Trolls or Leprechauns or Jim Jones.

You make a specific claim that YOUR God is real but others make exactly the same claim that their God is real.

Make a reasoned argument to support those assertions.


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