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Message 31 of 464 (883914)
01-17-2021 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
01-16-2021 3:25 PM


Tinker, tailer...
Phat writes:

Jesus Himself has no problem with homosexual atheists, Were they to meet, He would simply cast the demons that they had out of them, freeing theem up to truly love.

This always confuses the hell out of me. If Jesus has this power to cast out demons, why doesn't he apply it to Satan and thereby cast out all evil from the world? How did God not foresee that certain angels would rebel? How was he surprised that giving Adam and Eve free will would lead to their disobedience? So many Christians actually think of God like he's the guy down the street who likes to tinker in his garage, putting lots of stuff together just to see what happens. Maybe that is exactly what God is.


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Message 32 of 464 (883916)
01-17-2021 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Tangle
01-17-2021 11:59 AM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Christians forgive demons, don't they?

Not willingly, I understand, but they're kind of forced into it by their god.

Well, the younger one, anyway. The old one's still an evil bloody prick.


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Message 33 of 464 (883917)
01-17-2021 5:22 PM
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01-17-2021 5:05 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
AZP writes:

Christians forgive demons, don't they?

I thought they just 'cast them out'. Not totally sure.
Also not sure where they go once 'casted out'.


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Message 34 of 464 (883918)
01-17-2021 5:24 PM
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01-17-2021 11:53 AM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Christians do not like to be stereotyped either.

You're christian. That is religion, Phat.

You don't determine your beliefs. Your gods do, remember?

Submit to his will or suffer the Lake of FireSM!

You will believe as you are told.


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Message 35 of 464 (883919)
01-17-2021 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Tangle
01-17-2021 5:22 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
On this side of the pond I heard we go trout fishing in the Ozark mountains.

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Message 36 of 464 (883921)
01-17-2021 5:58 PM
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01-17-2021 5:22 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Also not sure where [demons] go once 'casted out'.

Into a herd of swine. Remember "Legion, for we are many" in Mark and Matthew?


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Message 37 of 464 (883922)
01-17-2021 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
01-17-2021 2:00 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
First you came at me like demons, mocking Jesus and His Mother.

I hope you note the title of this thread. Like anti-fascist, anti-theist is neither kind nor accommodating.

Which does not anger me, but which infuriates my demons.

No it doesn't, Phat. It just pisses YOU off. No demons involved.

That's good. Be pissed. That's human.

Because now they are no longer exclusive.

They never were.

No longer holding the power of the chosen people.

No such thing.

No longer able to cast your devils out of you …

No loss. Never could anyway.

… but forced to bow and scrape and serve you even if you take all my money and are not Christians.

Where do you see any such requirements other than your irrational nighmares?

But I wont argue too much except to ask which God we are talking about.

Ehh … Phat? The title of this thread, right?

It better not be that pesky altruistic god of Spinoza.

Oh, Phat. You may think you’ve read Spinoza but you did not comprehend his view of god.

I am not a pantheist …

I thought you were Christian?
You guys got more gods and devils and angels and spooks and spirits than a Hindu.
Ok, maybe not. Hindu’s got a lot of them.

Then again, maybe my demons are telling me to fight you on this.

That is YOU, Phat, not some demons. If you want to fight me then ditch the demons and engage self.

Or ...

You can join us. Come to the dark side, Phat.

Not just religion but politics. You can still feel real good like a Christian helping people as a leftist liberal.
You can be more christian, as Tangle defines it, as a flaming liberal than you are now.

Ok, maybe a moderate liberal. Without the flames.

Drop the demons, Phat, and support universal healthcare, universal education and guaranteed income.
And support the tax changes on the wealthy to pay for them.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 38 of 464 (883923)
01-18-2021 2:52 AM
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01-17-2021 5:58 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Dwise1 writes:

Into a herd of swine. Remember "Legion, for we are many" in Mark and Matthew?

So obvious when it's pointed out. I feel really stupid now. Of course that's where they go...


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 39 of 464 (883929)
01-18-2021 11:32 AM
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01-17-2021 5:58 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
No trout fishing? Herds of swine? Run off into the lake and die?

No thank you. I withdraw my application for demon.

Still in for minor deity with apps for Ragaraja, Dionysus and Baubo.


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Message 40 of 464 (883932)
01-18-2021 1:23 PM
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01-18-2021 2:52 AM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Perfectly understandable that you wouldn't have remembered. It is the "true Christians" who are so obsessed with demons and other nonsense.

I got my fundamentalist Christian training circa 1970 in the Jesus Freak movement -- from what I keep hearing, that was at Ground Zero of the movement as it was happening, Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel in Santa Ana, Orange County, California (they keep calling it "of Costa Mesa", but every single location I know of for them was always on the Santa Ana side of the Santa Ana/Costa Mesa city limits).

Besides everything in the Bible being absolutely and literally true, etc, they were completely obsessed with End Times and demons. They saw demons literally involved with everything around them. Even when there was a well-known explanation for what just happened, it was done by demons every single time.

For example, I got this personal story from two independent fundamentalist sources: my high school friend's mother and my ex-wife's electrical engineer brother. They both describe trying to wake up from a quick nap (she had nodded off in an easy chair) and they were aware of everybody around them and could hear them, but they couldn't move. It is simple sleep paralysis that we have known about for centuries and that has been studied and understood, but these two (and all other fundamentalists too, I have no doubt) were absolutely convinced that it was a demon holding them down.

BTW, I was a "fellow traveler" though my friend's family. Neither I nor he ever converted, but rather everything that we were learning about their beliefs and theology only served to confirm and increase our skepticism. I had left Christianity half a decade earlier because I started reading the Bible and realized that what it said was just too crazy and unbelievable for me to be able to believe. Then the fundamentalist stuff was far more crazy and unbelievable, so I really couldn't believe that stuff! Ironically, my initial decision to leave Christian (by reading the Bible) was based on a naïve assumption of biblical literalism, which was required by the Jesus Freaks.


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Message 41 of 464 (883933)
01-18-2021 2:13 PM
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01-18-2021 11:32 AM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
No trout fishing? Herds of swine? Run off into the lake and die?
No thank you. I withdraw my application for demon.

But it's guaranteed employment! And job security that never ends!

Demon work is extremely labor-intensive. You need demons on hand to cause every individual infection and illness. You need demons to stand by every single individual human 24/7 ever alert to that person sneezing so that they can snatch up that bit of the person's soul that gets expelled from his body by that sneeze (unless the demon is thwarted by an observer saying, "Bless you."). Every single accident requires the actions of at least one demon. Every single bullet fired requires a demon to ride it and direct it to its target. Plus every single wrong thought requires a demon.

Being a demon is guaranteed employment for eternity. Think about it, when have you ever seen unemployment rates for demons greater than 0%?


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Message 42 of 464 (883934)
01-18-2021 3:32 PM
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01-17-2021 5:58 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Supposedly they are disembodied spirits. They need a body in which to function. Perhaps another form of definition would be multiple personality disorder.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 43 of 464 (883935)
01-18-2021 3:36 PM
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01-18-2021 2:13 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
You say that, you demon, but Legion got rended into 2000 pigs that ran off into the lake and drown. That's not job security.

Besides, what good is being a demon when any jesus freak with a vile of water can come along and banish you into some pig that can't swim?

No, if I'm going to be a supernatural being I want to be one of the fun-loving sexy kind like Dionysus. Demon seems too busy and responsible for results as well as being subject to instantaneous reassignment.

No, a nice easy avocation of wine, women and song sounds so much better.


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Message 44 of 464 (883937)
01-18-2021 3:45 PM
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01-18-2021 3:32 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Phat writes:

Supposedly they are disembodied spirits.

And in reality they're nothing of the sort, because they're a total fiction.

They need a body in which to function.

Oh come on...this is embarrassing.

Perhaps another form of definition would be multiple personality disorder.

You seriously think a mental illness is the same as a demon infection?

What century are you living in Phat?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 45 of 464 (883948)
01-19-2021 3:29 PM
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01-18-2021 3:45 PM


Re: GOD In The Frying Pan
Im right about this one, Tangle. All of you and your limited intelligence put together is in this case wrong. Sorry that we disagree.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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