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LamarkNewAge
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Message 31 of 228 (884027)
01-21-2021 3:12 AM
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01-21-2021 3:10 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
Did I miss the Trump quote earlier?

Which post?


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Message 32 of 228 (884028)
01-21-2021 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
01-21-2021 3:12 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
You missed the entire show bubba.

Speaker after speaker calling for violence, for blood, for insurrection then we had the Cheeto-In-Chief get up and say the same thing.

I won't give you any quotes. I don't have to. You'll have to wait for the trial. The one in the Senate. And maybe more after that.

Your Trumpster is going down.


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Message 33 of 228 (884029)
01-21-2021 3:34 AM
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01-21-2021 3:12 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
Oh look more dishonest evasion. What a surprise.

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Message 34 of 228 (884030)
01-21-2021 6:49 AM
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01-20-2021 10:13 PM


Re: There was an anti-impeachment group created around 1998.
"Who will rid me of this troublesome priest" is hardly a call for murder.

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Message 35 of 228 (884033)
01-21-2021 8:47 AM
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01-21-2021 3:29 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
OK lemme get this straight. Was it the Domestic "Terrorists" plus the cheeto making speeches against the newly elected party?

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Message 36 of 228 (884035)
01-21-2021 9:44 AM
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01-21-2021 8:47 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
I think carrying on with the lies about fraud and insisting that they could still win - even after exhausting every legal and pseudo-legal and completely-made-up-but-we-pretend-it’s-legal avenue was more important. There was no way to win other than overthrowing the government.

And when you tell a bunch of violent white supremacist thugs that they can win if they are strong - and when they know that violence is the only way to win - what else can you expect?

Here is a transcript of the speech.

You should be aware that Pence had already (correctly) insisted that the Constitution didn’t allow him to send votes back. Even though Trump insisted otherwise in the speech. That McConnell had called for the votes to be accepted before the march. That the House could and would reject any objections. And - importantly - Trump did NOT go with the marchers.

While Trump called for peaceful protests - which they all knew - wouldn’t work - he also went and on about the alleged fraud. He fed the myth that Pence was a traitor, the myth that the Supreme Court was working against him.

We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

So are the violent white supremacists going to waste time marching around outside - and being ignored by the Senators and Representatives - or are they going to “fight like hell”? Maybe if Trump was there they might have stayed more or less peaceful. But he wasn’t. He said he would be, but he left them to their own devices. Nobody should be surprised at the consequences.


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AZPaul3
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Message 37 of 228 (884040)
01-21-2021 10:29 AM
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01-21-2021 6:49 AM


Re: There was an anti-impeachment group created around 1998.
"Who will rid me of this troublesome priest" is hardly a call for murder.

It wasn't then but thru Shakespeare's eyes we now know it was taken to be exactly that.

Modern usage of the meme, intelligently couched, is exactly a call for action.

"I shot an arrow into the air,
It fell to earth, I knew not where;"

When that action results in needless death, not just the perpetrators but their accomplices, their inciters, the archer, are all equally responsible. That is murder.

Incitement to action ... action to death ... murder.

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Message 38 of 228 (884041)
01-21-2021 11:01 AM


Don't know whether you guys have the concept of recklessness in your law, you probably do 'cos your laws originated in our common law.

Anyway, you can do an act intentionally knowing its likely outcome and you can do an act recklessly - ie with no regard to the likely outcome.

The jury then has to decide whether a reasonable person should have foreseen the actual outcome; if so, the reckless behaviour is culpable.

In my mind, Trump was at best reckless and at worst intentional in his behaviour. Both culpable in law.

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Message 39 of 228 (884042)
01-21-2021 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by LamarkNewAge
01-20-2021 9:58 PM


Re: There was an anti-impeachment group created around 1998.
LamarkNewAge writes:

Show me your best quote that Trump called for insurrection.

Probably The Trump Post-Presidency is a better thread for this discussion.

--Percy


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Message 40 of 228 (884043)
01-21-2021 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by PaulK
01-21-2021 2:47 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
PaulK writes:

quote:
So Trump possibly wanted an attack?

So, instead of answering the question you try and misrepresent the situation.

I guess the proves you have no honest defence.

Trump told them to attack, he just didn’t say so explicitlyl. There was no other way to win or to exert their strength that would affect the outcome. And you know that, that’s why you evade the point.

Just sort of suggesting again to the thread that discussions of the Trump post presidency and the issues he faces in light of his actions during his presidency might be better taken to the The Trump Post-Presidency thread.

--Percy


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AZPaul3
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Message 41 of 228 (884047)
01-21-2021 4:19 PM


Longest streak by a sitting president in 4 years.

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Message 42 of 228 (884048)
01-21-2021 4:59 PM
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01-21-2021 2:17 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
moving post about Trump to other thread. Please delete.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 43 of 228 (884052)
01-21-2021 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by LamarkNewAge
01-20-2021 8:28 PM


+, the logical AND function
In the past month a great many crimes have been committed where I live, violations of laws at the state, county, and local level. During that month my state, county, and city have continued Covid19 testing programs, instituted Covid19 vaccination programs, patrolled the streets and highways for traffic law violators, started, continued and completed many roadway and building repair and construction projects, and even managed to fill some pot holes AND investigated, charged, and prosecuted many of those crimes committed in these jurisdictions. It is the responsibility of government and those in government to conduct the business of government. There is no MOBVEON/PROSECUTE/DONTPROSECUTE dart board!

As an historical note, the Cray 80, the first super computer, was built entirely of AND gate logic. It is a very powerful tool.


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Message 44 of 228 (884054)
01-21-2021 6:13 PM
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01-21-2021 1:29 AM


Re: Biden's supporters better understand that an issue agenda is the be all and end all
You take your Trump apologetics and fold 'em five ways and stick 'em where the moon don't shine.

You are way too polite!


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 45 of 228 (884062)
01-21-2021 6:57 PM
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01-21-2021 5:58 PM


Re: +, the logical AND function
I don't think that the legislative branch is doing much of what you described. At any level of government, be it state, local, etc.

There are 100 United States Senators and they have a very limited schedule. Chuck Schumer said the ObamaCare fight prevented Democrats from working on many other, & more fruitful, legislative priorities. He lamented the party wasting its amazingly rare filibuster-proof majority.

Clinton was known to be consumed by the endless investigations during his presidency. So was the entirety of the federal government's legislative branch.


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