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AZPaul3
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Message 106 of 152 (884275)
02-03-2021 11:59 PM
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02-03-2021 5:34 PM


Re: Cruz shoots himself in the foot.
I saw something like that but your take makes more sense. Thank you.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 107 of 152 (884316)
02-10-2021 9:56 AM


Trump defense team pleads insanity
Yesterday Trump's 2 lawyers mounted a defense that was insane.

The irony of Trump getting a legal team that is as incompetent as he was as president, is delicious.

Reportedly, trump spent yesterday yelling at the TV.

I admit to a warm, euphoric feeling as I imagine that turd's stress and rage. I hope every single second of the rest of his life is miserable.


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jar
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Message 108 of 152 (884317)
02-10-2021 10:13 AM
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02-10-2021 9:56 AM


Re: Trump defense team pleads insanity
Trump's lawyer had an interview last night where he claimed the classic playground "But Bobbie did it!" defense but that the difference was that Trump has loyal followers that not just listened to what Trump said but acted on it.

With lawyers like that ...


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AZPaul3
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Message 109 of 152 (884318)
02-10-2021 10:44 AM
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02-10-2021 10:13 AM


Re: Trump defense team pleads insanity
With lawyers like that ...

... he'll still be acquitted.

No matter how incompetent his defense, the fix is in.


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Message 110 of 152 (884319)
02-10-2021 10:50 AM
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02-10-2021 10:44 AM


Re: Trump defense team pleads insanity
Very likely... BUT, will there be any fallout with the general public.

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Message 111 of 152 (884320)
02-10-2021 11:28 AM
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02-10-2021 10:13 AM


Re: Trump defense team pleads insanity
I rather liked his one lawyer's argument: So arrest and try Trump on criminal charges.

As that lawyer said, the DOJ knows what to do with people like that.

Edited by dwise1, : Added line


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jar
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Message 112 of 152 (884321)
02-10-2021 11:55 AM
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02-10-2021 11:28 AM


Re: Trump defense team pleads insanity
The Fulton County DA is starting just that.

Fortunately this is not a binary choice.


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AZPaul3
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Message 113 of 152 (884322)
02-10-2021 3:45 PM
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02-10-2021 10:50 AM


Re: Trump defense team pleads insanity
BUT, will there be any fallout with the general public.

Ahh, yes. The simple farmers. The people of the land. The common clay of the new America. You know … the Great American Moron.

I wouldn't hope on it in those blood red districts. In the more purple sorta kind, yeah, there may be some light backlash against vaccines or something, when they decide to think on it, which won't be often, and probably only between bites of pizza when neural utilization has some excess capacity.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 114 of 152 (884323)
02-10-2021 6:30 PM
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02-10-2021 10:50 AM


Re: Trump defense team pleads insanity
...will there be any fallout with the general public.

Anyone who hadn't "gotten it" by now likely never will.


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Message 115 of 152 (884341)
02-12-2021 12:14 PM


The First Three Days
I've watched all of the first three days of the impeachment trial. If news reports are accurate, few to no Republican minds have been changed. The jurisdictional vote received six Republican votes in favor, and something around that number are all that are likely to vote to convict.

The only reasonable goal now for the House managers is to convince the American people of Trump's culpability in the January 6th insurrection and of his unfitness for office. I'm going to begin watching the defense's presentation now.

--Percy


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 116 of 152 (884345)
02-12-2021 3:34 PM
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02-12-2021 12:14 PM


Re: The First Three Days
I just saw the concluding defense, but it is all I have seen.

It was pointed out (correctly?) that the prosecution was using videos of the riot as evidence , and very little from the Jan 6 speech was examined.

It sounded like there was a disagrement over what was relevant evidence. I remember we had a disagreement about whether the riot was actually evidence itself that Trump genuinely incited it.

(I am getting my vaccine tomorrow btw. I was considered a necessary worker)


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Message 117 of 152 (884346)
02-12-2021 4:05 PM
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02-12-2021 3:34 PM


Re: The First Three Days
LamarckNewAge writes:

It was pointed out (correctly?) that the prosecution was using videos of the riot as evidence , and very little from the Jan 6 speech was examined.

If you are going to accuse someone of inciting an insurrection then you need to establish that there was an insurrection. The videos are evidence of just that.

The speech itself was just a part of the overall attempt to incite violence. The months long campaign of lying to his followers, the planning of the event, how the event was advertised, and so forth. Those are just as important. As with many things in life, context is important.

Trump told his followers that Congress was taking their country away and that they had to march down to the Capitol and stop them. Who was surprised by the violence after that point? Not I. You could practically predict violence with near 100% accuracy after the months long campaign that was capped by that speech.


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Message 118 of 152 (884347)
02-12-2021 6:33 PM
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02-12-2021 4:05 PM


Re: The First Three Days
Will the Senate's ultimate verdict sway your answer one way or another?

Will a rejection of conviction/removal determine if you say YES or NO to your question?


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Message 119 of 152 (884353)
02-13-2021 2:45 AM


Trump refused to call off his supporters
CNN

This really leaves no doubt that Trump approved of the insurrection. And why not? It was his only hope of overturning his electoral defeat.

Kevin McCarthy, the lease of the House Republicans called Trump as the insurrectionists attacked, begging him to call them off. Trump’s response:

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

"He is not a blameless observer, he was rooting for them," a Republican member of Congress said. "On January 13, Kevin McCarthy said on the floor of the House that the President bears responsibility and he does."

"I think it speaks to the former President's mindset," said Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, an Ohio Republican who also voted to impeach Trump last month. "He was not sorry to see his unyieldingly loyal vice president or the Congress under attack by the mob he inspired. In fact, it seems he was happy about it or at the least enjoyed the scenes that were horrifying to most Americans across the country."

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 120 of 152 (884354)
02-13-2021 11:09 AM
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02-13-2021 2:45 AM


Re: Trump refused to call off his supporters
Sorry but there is not enough information in the article.

The time of the call is not mentioned.

(Ttump sent a "stay peaceful" tweet at 2:38)

The context and full transcript is nowhere to be found.

(What were these selective Trump quotes specifically responding to?)

(Taking the word of politicians, like McCarthy, is hazardous, for absolute stsrters)


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