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Author Topic:   Be It Stealth or Cyber: We Are In A War With China
Stile
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Message 46 of 54 (884342)
02-12-2021 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
02-11-2021 6:45 AM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Phat writes:

Well if its not a war against our way of life and ideals that we have fought for in many wars and for many years, what is it then? Are we simply supposed to be spineless wimps like Neville Chamberlain was with Germany and attempt to let the autocrats win?

I don't think it's a war with China.
I think the "war with China" is intended to give you something to "fight" besides the actual fight you should be doing.

Granted, I do highly agree that "democracy" is under siege.
Very much so.

But not from China or Russia or any other abroad threat.

It's under siege from within.
From the corrupt politicians who are running the democratic countries.

And the only way to stop them is to hold them accountable.
All of them.
Democrats. Republicans.
All of them.

Without that - democracy will die, eventually. But not from abroad, it will die from within, while you're looking for the problem to be abroad.


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Stile
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Message 52 of 54 (884406)
02-16-2021 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
02-13-2021 8:23 PM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Phat writes:

How can one be accountable when the governing body is partisan politics? We have two ideologically competing groups. How does one forge a consensus (bipartisan) that the leaders need to be accountable to?

Just the same laws we already have in place.

First of all, however, transparency is key.

All monetary transactions between the government and any agency should be available for the public.
Possibly not military and those that can be used-against-the-country by other countries with ill-intent - but these should really be few and far between.

Then, things can be handled within the existing courts.

A few examples:

1. If it can be shown that Obama's direction was to put Health-Care standards in place in a way that "funneled money" towards certain contacts in the health industry - then Obama (and any other involved-personnel) should be put in jail for an amount of time respective to the crime.
-If it cannot be shown, while all the monetary documentation is publicly available - then it didn't happen and there's no issue.

2. If it can be shown that Trump had monetary ties to Russia, or "funneled money" towards certain contacts when he shouldn't have - then Trump (and any other involved-personnel) should be put in jail for an amount of time respective to the crime.
-If it cannot be shown, while all the monetary documentation is publicly available - then it didn't happen and there's no issue.

Partisan politics don't come into it at all.
Just need transparency and being held accountable (if anything actually happened.)

If nothing happened in these two instances, then transparency shouldn't be an issue. Neither of these examples have anything to do with "national security" or anything like that. Other than things that certainly should be public, if anything actually happened.


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