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Author Topic:   Be It Stealth or Cyber: We Are In A War With China
Stile
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Message 46 of 54 (884342)
02-12-2021 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
02-11-2021 6:45 AM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Phat writes:

Well if its not a war against our way of life and ideals that we have fought for in many wars and for many years, what is it then? Are we simply supposed to be spineless wimps like Neville Chamberlain was with Germany and attempt to let the autocrats win?

I don't think it's a war with China.
I think the "war with China" is intended to give you something to "fight" besides the actual fight you should be doing.

Granted, I do highly agree that "democracy" is under siege.
Very much so.

But not from China or Russia or any other abroad threat.

It's under siege from within.
From the corrupt politicians who are running the democratic countries.

And the only way to stop them is to hold them accountable.
All of them.
Democrats. Republicans.
All of them.

Without that - democracy will die, eventually. But not from abroad, it will die from within, while you're looking for the problem to be abroad.


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Message 47 of 54 (884366)
02-13-2021 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Stile
02-12-2021 1:24 PM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Stile writes:

From the corrupt politicians who are running the democratic countries.

And the only way to stop them is to hold them accountable.
All of them.
Democrats. Republicans.
All of them.

Without that - democracy will die, eventually. But not from abroad, it will die from within, while you're looking for the problem to be abroad.

I agree. Some questions, though.

How can one be accountable when the governing body is partisan politics? We have two ideologically competing groups. How does one forge a consensus (bipartisan) that the leaders need to be accountable to?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 48 of 54 (884371)
02-14-2021 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
02-13-2021 8:23 PM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Phat writes:

How does one forge a consensus (bipartisan) that the leaders need to be accountable to?

The only way is by picking better politicians; by the voters being the leaders.

And that depends on first educating voters on how to think; but before that can happen the Christian Cult of ********* must be replaced by those who place CONTENT over source.


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Message 49 of 54 (884376)
02-14-2021 2:00 PM
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02-14-2021 6:54 AM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
jar,in our ongoing argument writes:

...but before that can happen the Christian Cult of ********* must be replaced by those who place CONTENT over source.

You insist that the people themselves map and chart the future and that the source (God) is irrelevant. This is a major flaw in your thinking and why we likely will never agree. I have seen evidence that God is real and interactive. I have also seen evidence that humans fail time and time again. I know where to place my bet.

Note that I agree with much of what you say, but when you you say really stupid things like placing CONTENT over SOURCE, you only show the wilful ignorance of your critically thought out beliefs. You simply refuse to believe in a supernatural God and you prefer humans doing all of the work.

Bottom line: We simply can't. He would never need to come back otherwise. I will agree with you that we owe it to ourselves to try and do our best. He likely expects the same effort.

Edited by Phat, : spelling


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 50 of 54 (884377)
02-14-2021 2:13 PM
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02-14-2021 2:00 PM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
You are of course free to wait fopr the god you created to do something but the rest of the world will simply go ahead and address their issues and needs and let the god you created handle yours.

Your welfare is NOT their problem.


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Message 51 of 54 (884379)
02-14-2021 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by jar
02-14-2021 2:13 PM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
jar writes:

You are of course free to wait for the god you created to do something but the rest of the world will simply go ahead and address their issues and needs and let the god you created handle yours.

Your welfare is NOT their problem.

IF The "god I create" happens to be the GOD Who actually is, it will become their problem...and opportunity. IF God actually plans on interaction and interference in the human experiment, it will become part of the future legacy. In the meantime, feel free to place CONTENT over SOURCE and go about your business, encouraging others to do the same. My mental state is not entirely Gods problem, though I can pray He help it. Perhaps He even uses you sometimes to attempt to get me to think. The Jury is out at the moment.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Stile
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Message 52 of 54 (884406)
02-16-2021 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
02-13-2021 8:23 PM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Phat writes:

How can one be accountable when the governing body is partisan politics? We have two ideologically competing groups. How does one forge a consensus (bipartisan) that the leaders need to be accountable to?

Just the same laws we already have in place.

First of all, however, transparency is key.

All monetary transactions between the government and any agency should be available for the public.
Possibly not military and those that can be used-against-the-country by other countries with ill-intent - but these should really be few and far between.

Then, things can be handled within the existing courts.

A few examples:

1. If it can be shown that Obama's direction was to put Health-Care standards in place in a way that "funneled money" towards certain contacts in the health industry - then Obama (and any other involved-personnel) should be put in jail for an amount of time respective to the crime.
-If it cannot be shown, while all the monetary documentation is publicly available - then it didn't happen and there's no issue.

2. If it can be shown that Trump had monetary ties to Russia, or "funneled money" towards certain contacts when he shouldn't have - then Trump (and any other involved-personnel) should be put in jail for an amount of time respective to the crime.
-If it cannot be shown, while all the monetary documentation is publicly available - then it didn't happen and there's no issue.

Partisan politics don't come into it at all.
Just need transparency and being held accountable (if anything actually happened.)

If nothing happened in these two instances, then transparency shouldn't be an issue. Neither of these examples have anything to do with "national security" or anything like that. Other than things that certainly should be public, if anything actually happened.


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Message 53 of 54 (884408)
02-16-2021 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by jar
02-14-2021 2:13 PM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Your welfare is NOT their problem.
On an individual level...perhaps. But what about a national level? Is the welfare of the US more important (to us) than the welfare of every human on the globe? Nationalists say yes. Globalists mayu say no. I dont trust globalists (or some nationalists) due to their fallible human selfish nature. I also do not think that surrendering individual welfare, or national welfare in the interests of globalism will ever work without a consensus on belief. Absolute truth must take precedence over relativistic comparative religions.

If not, sho0w me why the GOD you believe in is so lovey dovey and rainbow centric.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 54 of 54 (884415)
02-16-2021 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
02-16-2021 11:12 AM


Re: Globalism: An Unrealistic Destiny.
Phat writes:

If not, sho0w me why the GOD you believe in is so lovey dovey and rainbow centric.

You just keep making shit up and pretending it is something others have said or believed.

Your welfare is NOT the problem of either the rich or everyone else in the world who have been addressing paying their bill. Sorry Phat but that's reality and you will have to live with it regardless of whatever the god you create might claim.

Look at Texas today.

Texas has the power grid & infrastructure the Texas voters elected representatives created. It's a stand alone network not connected to the rest of the US power grid. Texas is sufferings now because of that.

Texas suffers every year from major flooding with tens of thousands of homes and cars and lives damaged because Texas voters elected representatives who refused to require building codes and standards and so allowed homes to be built in areas the get flooded every year or three.

Reality exists Phat and we get to pay the bill one way or another.

Those who find the least painful methods of paying their bills will suffer the least. It looks like a large significant portion the known as the Christian Cult of ********* US has chosen to take the path most painful.

Like Texas, they will get the results they chose.

Phat writes:

Absolute truth must take precedence over relativistic comparative religions.

But so far you never shown that you even have a clue how any truth, absolute or relative might be determined.


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