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Phat
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Message 166 of 465 (884646)
02-28-2021 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by jar
02-28-2021 10:08 AM


Re: Word Eternal
Thats what you teach but it is not conclusive. There are many teachers and many who call themselves Prophets. My sisters church in St.Louis had a zoom class recently where the lesson was the following:
Reporter Studies How Christians React When Prophets They Follow Err
The Wired Word for the Week of February 28, 2021


Christian Prophets Are on the Rise. What Happens When They’re Wrong?

Ruth Graham of the NY Times authored the article, among 3 cited in our Zoom Class. My sisters church is more liberal and moderate than Isaiah Saldivar, my guy whom I insist has insight and an anointing and is not merely one of jars fake carny barking apologists whom he often derisevly mentions.

My point? Clearly there are and will be false prophets and false teachers. I do not value nor respect the approach that you guys give to Christian teaching. There most certainly is and was a GOD long before trees even grew so that paper could be harvested with which to even make the first scrolls which were the Logos inspiration of the One God in Heaven communing with the primitive minds and hearts of man on this one little dust speck of a planet. To assert that the Bible was originally a product only of human imagination is ignorant at best. Dont push the idea that God is simply a product of human imagination in my direction---for I have experienced too much to even consider it.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 167 of 465 (884647)
02-28-2021 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by AZPaul3
02-28-2021 3:15 AM


J.Noble Dagget Whines Again
OMG Enough with this little Mousey Whiner akin to 1970's True Grit Lawyer J.Noble Dagget. I will grant you that his argument has merit in that it is logical. All of you have valid arguments if in fact God did not exist and interact with our species through the Holy Spirit sent by GOD through Jesus Christ shortly before He died and was resurrected.

But for some reason, a few of you missed it. And it is not Gods fault. It is just a result of your refusal to allow for Him to reveal Himself to your critically thinking skeptical minds. But its OK, AZ. You keep trying to get me to be an atheist and I will keep praying for better understanding of what I DO believe. The souls will fall where they may.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 168 of 465 (884650)
02-28-2021 5:12 PM
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02-28-2021 3:41 PM


Re: J.Noble Dagget Whines Again
OMG Enough with this little Mousey Whiner akin to 1970's True Grit Lawyer J.Noble Dagget.

Oh there will be much more of him in the future, god willing and the creek don't rise.

It is just a result of your refusal to allow for Him to reveal Himself to your critically thinking skeptical minds.

If you think some god is pining and whining for my personal attention - here I am. Through your personal sponsorship kindly inform your god, if it doesn't already know, that I await his pleasure. Tell it I surrender. I place myself at his mercy to come and reveal whatever the loving snot he wants outta me. I am his.

Torture me if he must but I will know. I will have the knowledge. I will know the truth about the universe and on that knowledge alone I will be free in my own mind.

Come to me, Whoever, God of Whatever.

Phat says you're a good guy. History says you're a piece of shit. Science says you're a charlatan. So which is it?

How many times have we each screamed that out into the aether of the internet? The aethernet?

Now, I'm not against living forever in paradise but what is it I have to do to get that again? Specifics, please.

And what does forever living in paradise entail? Not looking for a daily schedule or anything like that, though a few examples would be nice, but in medium kinda strokes what would you expect us to do up there in heavenly bliss with you on a general basis?

I'll anxiously await your revelation.

If I happen to doze off please wake me. I consider this important.

[addendum]

Hey Phat? I'm real rusty at this. How long do you guys hold onto a prayer before you figure he's not going to answer?

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 169 of 465 (884652)
02-28-2021 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Phat
02-28-2021 3:15 PM


Re: Word Eternal
Phat writes:

There most certainly is and was a GOD long before trees even grew so that paper could be harvested with which to even make the first scrolls which were the Logos inspiration of the One God in Heaven communing with the primitive minds and hearts of man on this one little dust speck of a planet.

LOL

Sure Phat. Or many such gods. Or lots of little gods. Or some god that disappeared tens of thousands of years ago. Or no god at all.

You are simply spouting the Christian Snake-oil sales spiel. That's not an argument.

Go and actually read what is written and stop listening to the Christian Profits. If quoted it for you many many many many times. If you like I'll quote it for you yet again.

What is written? What is actually written in the fable? Not what the Profits sell but rather what is actually written?

quote:
Jacob Wrestles With God

22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.


It's a "Just So" story Phat. Read it. The story was written to explain the origin of the Tribe of Israel (a kinda important point, in fact far more important than Jesus to the author and the audience), why it's understandable that people will always struggle with both god and other humans and why the Israelite's don't eat certain foods (also far more important to the author and audience than Jesus).

Phat writes:

To assert that the Bible was originally a product only of human imagination is ******** at best.

What does the evidence show Phat? You make the claim, now support it with evidence or reasoned argument.

Phat writes:

Dont push the idea that God is simply a product of human imagination in my direction---for I have experienced too much to even consider it.

No one has suggested that you don't believe that Phat. Yet you can never ever (just like every other Biblical Christian) provide any evidence or reasoned argument in support of that position.

On the other hand, I can point to what is actually written to show that every god ever described is simply the product of the human imagination. The story of Jacob's struggle is simply yet another example in support of my position.

Edited by jar, : fix quotation


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Message 170 of 465 (884655)
03-01-2021 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by jar
02-28-2021 6:52 PM


Re: Word Eternal
It looks to me like the critical thinking that you were taught blocked the possibility of you ever becoming a believer. It is as if you were handed the answer and rather than receive it, you wadded it up and tossed it away, likely the doctrine of an agnostic. You have even said before that agnosticism is a reasonable position and that in fact Islam is closer to the right path than is Biblical Christianity. Having never met Gods presence you have no internal reference point from your experiences. You were taught instead to ask how such a reference would be possible. You were taught to throw away easy answers and seek more questions.

Now tell me that I am misrepresenting what you say...


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 171 of 465 (884656)
03-01-2021 3:11 AM
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02-28-2021 6:52 PM


Re: Word Eternal
How many times must I point out that God is never found through evidence. Yoiu seem to think that IF GOD(God) were provable objectively that method alone would make Him knowable by everyone. And I would point out that this was never the expectation. Humans do not simply find God. God finds us. You evidently were too busy asking more questions and challenging the feeling (bad burrito, perhaps?) then you were accepting it.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 172 of 465 (884657)
03-01-2021 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Phat
03-01-2021 3:07 AM


Re: Word Eternal
Yes, you are misrepresenting what I say. Remember Phat, everyone can actually read what I write.

Phat writes:

Yoiu seem to think that IF GOD(God) were provable objectively that method alone would make Him knowable by everyone.

No Phat that is not what I think, that is a supportable conclusion. If something can be shown objectively to exist then it is absolutely knowable by anybody.

Phat writes:

Humans do not simply find God. God finds us.

What does the evidence show Phat. Look at how many Gods have found humans. Try to list them all and soon you will realize that the actual number of gods that have found humans exactly matches the number of humans that have created god.

Phat writes:

Having never met Gods presence you have no internal reference point from your experiences.

And I have asked repeatedly how you or anyone else can possibly know they have met God or been in God's presence and neither you or anyone else has been able to answer.


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Message 173 of 465 (884658)
03-01-2021 7:28 AM
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Throwing It All Away Like A Good Critical Thinker
jar writes:

What does the evidence show Phat. Look at how many Gods have found humans. Try to list them all and soon you will realize that the actual number of gods that have found humans exactly matches the number of humans that have created god.

Thus you are concluding that there is no such thing as a Christian salvation experience. You are concluding (since you concluded this for yourself) that those of us whom you lump together as "Biblical Christians" are as a group...each and every one of us...as delusional as you yourself (would) be had you asked Jesus Christ into your heart and surrendered your logic, reason, and perceived reality to Him. Thus....having willfully never taken that CCoI step, you challenge me to think as you thought and to throw God (and organized religion and all that I have and had been taught AWAY.

Essentially, the way that I see and feel it, you are asking me to even throw my salvation experience and what I have and had felt and believed and said through prayer and heard as a still small voice...AWAY. You are challenging me to be a good critical thinker and attempt to falsify my own salvation experience(s). Right or Wrong?

And by the way.....many demons have found humans. I suspect that in your pantheon of deities, all but one is fake. Will the real GOD please stand up?

And I have asked repeatedly how you or anyone else can possibly know they have met God or been in God's presence and neither you or anyone else has been able to answer.
I cant speak for everyone, but I would never ask myself such a stupid question. One either believes or doesn't. Absolute knowledge may or may not occur before I die physically...and perhaps not even then. I have felt presence and confirmation in the form of inner peace.

I need not know.

Perhaps that is one way that you and I differ.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 174 of 465 (884662)
03-01-2021 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by AZPaul3
02-26-2021 5:32 PM


Re: Get on doing whatever you do quietly
AZPaul3 writes:

So what’s missing that would cause you to treat god in the same way you treat jesus? Or is there some additional element here that prevents their both being treated alike?


I didn't say I don't treat them alike. I only meant that they were constructed by different people in different times.

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Message 175 of 465 (884663)
03-01-2021 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Phat
02-26-2021 11:56 PM


Re: Word Eternal
Phat writes:

Which leads to several questions.
How does the Bible describe God as sounding (as reported by those who claimed to hear Him?)


What I said doesn't "lead" to that question. You're just trying to evade what I said.

Try again:

quote:
ringo writes:
John 1:1 does not say that Jesus was the Word.
Please, do the homework. Find anywhere in the rest of John or the whole New Testament where Jesus is referred to as the Word.

Have you done the homework?

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Message 176 of 465 (884664)
03-01-2021 11:51 AM
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Re: Word Eternal
The really funny thing is that Phat could answer your question if he did his homework. It doesn’t take much. But like many “Christians” he seems allergic to the Bible.

(John 1 14-18)


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Message 177 of 465 (884667)
03-01-2021 3:16 PM
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Re: Word Eternal
I did do the homework, though I admit that I did it the lazy way and simply googled it. The two verses in the Gospel of john came up as did Revelation
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13

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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 178 of 465 (884678)
03-02-2021 11:22 AM
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03-01-2021 3:16 PM


Re: Word Eternal
Phat writes:

I did do the homework....


Then you should understand that the word "word" does not refer to Jesus.

I did a quick (30 minute) scan again this morning:

Interestingly, the word "word" is capitalized only in John 1:1 and John 1:14 in the KJV. But it's the same word, capitalized or not, G3056 in Strong.

Here's every instance of the word "word" in John:

quote:
"The word which Jesus had said" Joh 2:22

"many more believed because of his own word" Joh 4:41

"the word that Jesus had soken" Joh 4:50

"He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me" Joh 5:24

"ye have not his word abiding in you" Joh 5:38

"If ye continue in my word" Joh 8:31

"my word hath no place in you." Joh 8:37

"ye cannot hear my word." Joh 8:43

"unto whom the word of God came" Joh 10:35

"the word that I have spoken" Joh 12:48

"the word which ye hear is not mine" Joh 14:24

"the word which I have spoken unto you" Joh 15:3

"the word that I said unto you" Joh 15:20

"that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law" Joh15:25

"they have kept thy word" Joh 17:6 (Jesus praying)

"I have given them thy word" Joh 17:14

"thy word is truth" Joh 17:17

"which shall believe on me through their word" Joh 17:20



Note that the context usually suggests that the word is separate from Jesus.

Here's every instance in the whole New Testament where "Jesus" and "word" are used in the same verse:

quote:
"word of Jesus" Mat 26:75

"Jesus heard the word" Mar 5:36

"the word that Jesus said" Mar 14:72

"Jesus answered him saying, It is written, That man shallnot live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Mar 4:4

"sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word" Luke 10:39

"Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word" Luke 24:19

"the word which Jesus had said" Joh 2:22

"the word that Jesus had spoken" Joh 4:50

"said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word" Joh 8:31

"word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus" Act 10:36

"the word of the Lord Jesus" Act 19:10

"whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus" Col 3:17

"the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ" Rev 1:2

"for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 1:9

"for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God" Rev 20:4



Note the context again.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 179 of 465 (884684)
03-02-2021 1:15 PM
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Re: Word Eternal
I did do the homework, though I admit that I did it the lazy way and simply googled it.

Yep, the typical way that theists (especially YECs) do "research": Google for a keyword, then copy-and-paste without ever having to read what you're copying let alone making any effort at all to try to understand any of it.

I have two shining (assuming you could polish a turd) examples:

1. An aggressively activist creationist with whom I had a long email correspondence and who, like you, has been given to lurking creepily around schools in order to prey on young children. He had repeated the utterly brain-dead caricature "definition" of punctuated equilibria (PE) as "a snake laid an egg and a bird hatched out." And he did so even after I had explained his mistake to him in some detail, so I challenged him to explain PE to me. He replied with a very well-written description of PE which was quite surprisingly accurate. And then a bit later he repeated his stupid "bird hatching out of a snake egg" yet again! When I took him to task for that, he pulled his usual dishonest evasive tricks of either changing the subject or simply running away yet again.

Well, the fact that his accurate description of PE was so well-written should have been the first clue to what he had done -- he could never ever hold his own in any discussion nor could he ever discuss nor defend any of his own claims despite repeatedly describing himself as a genius (perhaps nowadays a "stable genius"?). It is now obvious that he had simply search the Web for an article on PE and did a copy-and-paste without having learned a single damned thing.

2. Do you remember Crazynutsx, a member here from May-June 2011 (https://www.evcforum.net/Threads.php?control=tml&mbrid=9463)? A young gamer from the UK and a YEC who had created his own creationist forum which he announced here to recruit members. A few of us, myself included, took him up on it. He very quickly realized that he was in way over his head. Not only did he repeatedly commit plagiarism in his "replies" (for which I lectured him sternly), but he as an admin then resorted to deleting both his own and other members' posts and then lying about it. He finally abandoned his own forum without notice, after which it had been taken over by Japanese hackers who used it mainly to advertise merchandise and dental services. I'm not sure what its current status is, though I think I've seen some subsequent attempts of new people trying to add to the creationism threads.

In the case that brings this up, he had posted the tired old "leap seconds" claim (ie, "at the rate that the earth's spin is slowing down, a few millions of years ago it would have been spinning impossibly fast hence it must be young" -- when he created the claim, Walter Brown did not understand leap seconds and so came up with a deceleration rate that was hundreds of times higher than it actually is; see my page, DWISE1'S CREATION / EVOLUTION PAGE: Earth's Rotation is Slowing for more information).

At one point (the end of it, actually), he "wrote" a reply which was a complete copy-and-paste plagiarism. Not only that, but he had copy-and-pasted the classic refutation of his own claim: Thwaite and Awbrey's As the World Turns: Can Creationists Keep Time? (1982). That is called a "double howler."

So if you do no more than to blindly copy-and-paste without trying to learn anything, then you will be in danger of making a complete fool of yourself.

Yeah, yeah, I know! You are proud to be considered a fool since Jesus said that you would be called a fool for believing in him. During the Jesus Freak Movement (c. 1970) there was even a clown ministry called "Fools for Christ" (absolutely true story; they even appeared in full clown makeup).

But that is not what's happening. You (and these two examples) are not being considered fools for believing in Jesus, but rather because you (pl) are doing and saying foolish things completely independent of any religious belief. And furthermore, instead of demonstrating the strength of your faith, your (pl) persistent foolishness only serves to discredit both you and your religion including your god.

Why insist on doing damage to the Cause of Christ?


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AZPaul3
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Message 180 of 465 (884685)
03-02-2021 9:34 PM


Our Savior
OK some of you may not find this humorous.

Then again, you may not find much of anything humorous. That would seem to be a rather sad way to go through life but I don't walk in your shoes so who am I to judge.

This is humor. It's also a bit of a sword.

PZ Myers' blog Pharyngula

He's going to kill god for us. Our true savior has come.

Watch the logic go “Wheeeeeeee!”

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Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

  
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