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Message 709 of 960 (873748)
03-19-2020 9:34 AM
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03-18-2020 8:58 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Of DrJones*, marc9000 quips:
But thanks for your input, others here must be proud to be associated with your intelligence.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am. And I share his disgust of the cruel bigoted hyper-stupidity you spew across this forum.

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Message 713 of 960 (882237)
09-15-2020 11:08 PM


All 20 Targets Missed
Ten years ago the nations of the world gathered together and set 20 goals concerned with protecting biodiversity and lessening global climate change.
All 20 targets will be missed with only 6 of them deemed "partially achieved".
Humanity is failing at protecting our ecosystems from the ravages of anthropomorphic climate change and destruction of native habitats by human encroachment.
quote:
Humanity's impact on the natural world over the last five decades has been nothing short of cataclysmic: since 1970 close to 70 percent of wild animals, birds and fish have vanished, according to a WWF assessment this month.
We Set 20 Targets to Save Our Planet a Decade Ago, and We've Missed Them All : ScienceAlert
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Humanity stands at a crossroads with regard to the legacy it leaves to future generations. Biodiversity is declining at an unprecedented rate, and the pressures driving this decline are intensifying. None of the Aichi Biodiversity Targets will be fully met, in turn threatening the achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals and undermining efforts to address climate change.
Global Biodiversity Outlook 5
In failing to even start to protect global biosystems from the rapid devastation of life on this planet from human activity we have failed to even start to protect ourselves. We have done nothing to forestall the quick and inevitable extinction of H.sapiens.

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Message 714 of 960 (884076)
01-21-2021 9:22 PM


Happy News
If you are looking forward to watching the world burn you will definitely like this.
https://news.uci.edu/...ion-of-the-earths-tropical-rain-belt
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Difference by the year 2100 expected to impact global biodiversity, food security
Future climate change will cause a regionally uneven shifting of the tropical rain belt — a narrow band of heavy precipitation near the equator — according to researchers at the University of California, Irvine and other institutions. This development may threaten food security for billions of people.
By the turn of this century we could be starving hundreds of millions, billions of people. Just think of the anguish, the disease and the wars.
Yeah! Burn baby, burn!
Well, we did asked for it.
Literally ... we asked for it.
"Global warming? Ha, ha, ha. I have my cold beer. Screw you. Bring it on."
--Conversation with some guy named Irving.

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Message 716 of 960 (884091)
01-22-2021 12:01 PM
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01-22-2021 7:55 AM


Re: Happy News
And if you have (to your) kids you get the pleasure of telling them what shit they're in for when they turn 80.
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Message 718 of 960 (884571)
02-25-2021 3:03 AM


Not Fast Enough
There is a nice warm ocean current that runs up the Atlantic from the Caribbean up to western Europe. The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC). The melting ice sheets in Greenland are dumping a much greater flow of fresh melt into the north Atlantic ... right in front of this nice warm ocean current that
quote:
could have profound, large-scale impacts on the planet in terms of weather patterns, upending agricultural practices, biodiversity, and economic stability across the vast areas of the world that the AMOC influences.
... and that includes keeping people, animals and plumbing in London ... and Paris and Berlin ... from freezing to death.
Not if, but when that current stops as is now evidenced by lower flow multiple years running, you boys in Europe will have the winters and the all year 'round weather of your favorite cozy hotspots in Siberia. Last time that flow stopped you had an ice age. But that's OK since the ice age bit doesn't gather a lot of steam overnight. May take a few more centuries.
The great wine and cheese regions of France, Italy, Germany, the Swiss. Enjoy them now for they'll not be here next century, nor ever again. The product's beauty and taste is in the weather of the region. That will all change soon. And it will just get worse from there.
Of course we all knew for decades this was an eventuality but the optimists touted a breathing space where mitigation strategies could be implemented keeping the system from a tipping point that would lead directly to the current's shut down.
Heh, heh. We're going to miss it. The point's going to arrive in the decades to come and it's just gonna tip all over itself flooding the sea with ever increasing rivers of ice cold water till the current slows to a halt.
And why, you might ask, is this happening now. Well, it seems we've been missing quite a few smaller target points on our environmental fix-it list and now, surprise, the problem has gotten worse and the flow from ice to current is increasing faster than expected. The tipping point is coming faster than expected and now there is no time left for mitigation since it is here, it is happening, right here in front of our faces ...and ... we can't stop it. Too late. Bye-bye Champaign.
We're not burning and changing the world fast enough yet. Gotta speed this up
Welcome to real hit 'em in the head climate change.
The Asiagos. The Cabernets. Imagine the loss, or at least the denigration of quality from their cultural norms.
Well, I won't be here. I got mine. A nice creamy brie noir.
A Major Ocean Current Could Be on The Verge of a Devastating 'tipping Point' : ScienceAlert
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Message 725 of 960 (884639)
02-28-2021 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 722 by marc9000
02-27-2021 9:23 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Hmmm, you've responded to a message of mine that's almost a year old. I suspect I know what inspired that, the recent catastrophic failure of wind and solar power in Texas, the experimental solar and wind power that no one anticipated wouldn't work well when subjected to unusually cold, cloudy weather. Your political doubling down, your increased hostility when faced with an embarrassing setback of a liberal policy that didn't go as planned.
What political revisionism! The power policies in Texas are conservative uber-capitalistic laissez-faire to its finest incarnation.
Is starting out your treaties with this BS a sign of more of your irrational BS yet to come?
In Message 650, directed at no one in particular, I showed a list of over 100 common products ...
Oh gawd. Sometimes I hate being right.

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Message 731 of 960 (884673)
03-01-2021 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by marc9000
03-01-2021 10:20 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
You bullshit artists are all the same. Stupid.
Just because it is today does not mean it has to remain that way. Things change, though much too slowly for your snail's-paced intellect to comprehend even as slow as that is.
You yourself laid the ground rules. Fossil fuels are about to become prohibitively expensive. Alternatives have been and are being found.
And you know, or should know by now, the Texas situation has nothing ... repeat ... just in case you weren't paying attention again ... nothing to do with renewables and everything to do with republican capitalists' dismantling of the oversight regulations that would have been in place to prevent precisely what happened. I'm surprised it took this long to bite them in the ass.
Your sin-kin, the republican party, Texas style, did that all to them selves.
And all those things have to be transported by trucks, all currently powered by fossil fuels.
At this late date in the news cycle!??
Did you not hear the announcements? The very recent and widely publicized announcements, that all the vehicle manufacturers are going to all gas-free products in the 2030's?
Your strawman can't stand. He's only temporary until the electric trucks and the electric trains get here between now and the next decade or so.
So, are you really here just to lie about everything or is there a higher purpose?
I'm thinking that in honor of CPAC their leaders unleashed an army of you politically braindead warriors to shill for conservative conspiracy theories and gen'up more bs disinformation.
I'll bet that's exactly what you are.
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Message 742 of 960 (884705)
03-04-2021 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 741 by marc9000
03-03-2021 8:43 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
The good scientists who don't bother to do that don't get much attention, while the ones who DO do that get plenty of attention, resulting in profits for themselves.
For a hundred + years good scientists have been screaming their heads off about anthropic warming and getting zero attention just as you describe. It IS the good scientist that is the source of our gloom and doom. They are the ones making the predictions.
And with a profit motive. They get to save the world. That’s big payback.
You want to follow the $$ trail you can’t go wrong looking at fossil fuel profits. We’re talking $billions+ per day.
$billions+ per day!
Now right there is a strong reason to shut down talk of anthropic warming, its implications, its impending physical, economic and political costs and who pays.
You think any of those eco-warriors makes that much?
You want to see motive in money? Clean your glasses.
No, I'd only have to show that they trumpet some things much louder than they do others.
No, you conservative windbag, you have to do just as Taq requires. We don’t care about your politically slanted lists and illogical bias. We care about the reality. The important parts like the science, not this politically motivated disinformation wrapped in minutia crap that you’re spreading.
That's because, with few exceptions, the rest of the world points to the U.S. and says "It's all your fault - you fix it!"
It is. And we have to.
But with the rest of humanity trying to emulate us the problem has become global, and the whole world knows it, whether your demented sources care to see that news or not. I guess it helps your side to kick sand in the face of the global consensus. In a world divided you can continue to rake it in while you burn the place down.
You folks are evil.
I don't ignore them, I believe them. I ignore the doom and gloom predictions of what it will cause by power seeking governments.
The gloom and doom is coming from the science. Or are you saying that shifting weather patterns, altered ocean currents, and thus shifting droughts and floods altering food production over vast areas of the continents, is not, somehow, amazingly, not supported by the science?
Oh, That's right. Your beer is cold now and all this gloom and doom stuff is just so far away. No need to upset the oligarchs with this talk of timelines beyond next quarter's bottom line.
And as for power seeking governments, the reality, discernable to most viewers of politics and power structures, is that government is in the hands of the conservative capitalist elite sourced by that $billions+ per day. You can buy a lot a republicans with that kind of cash.
I just proved Message 658 100% WRONG.
Whoa! Trump’s got nothing on you when it comes to making false claims right in the face of the evidence. Good show Marc.
As you might have noticed, it caused a two posters here to have a complete emotional meltdown.
Oh, Marc, Marc, we know you and your type. You can’t even raise a slight palpitation with anyone here.
I used Texas as an example that unexpected challenges and problems can happen if something new is implemented and depended on too quickly.
Then you failed, Bunkie. The Texas situation had nothing to do with technology and everything to do with republican politics.
Fossil fuels are TIME TESTED. Any complete replacements for them also need to be time tested, and it takes time.
What foolish crap is this? You think we care if the source becomes XX? In this society the only requirement is that it work. Time tested, my ass. If it replaces carbon bring it on!
And regardless of what you might hear in the back hallways of stupidity on power generation, do try to use less of the stuff, ok?
The world isn't ready to replace fossil fuels in any meaningful way in the near future.
We know. That’s part of the gloom and doom we’ve been talking about.
The transition is happening. Can’t be stopped. Those that can adapt will go on. Wall Street will find the rudders to keep things moving as long as the government can pump in the liquidity to keep all the ships afloat. When that stops businesses collapse, economies collapse, societies collapse. Kinda the definition of gloom and doom.
We can't go back to primitive, labor intensive methods of the horse and buggy days, when the world population was 1/5 of what it is today, and expect to keep up with current volumes of what is required in today's world.
We’re not going to have much choice. Major tipping points are coming and going with no attempts to action.
I know you don’t believe in the gloom and doom of tipping points but the science, uninfluenced by $billions+ per day, is getting so much better so fast that we have started to realize just how too late we are on a lot of this stuff already. We’re fucked.
A thousand years from now most of humanity will have rediscovered the non-oil versions of everything on your list while the community gathers on the commons to pray in union that the plague and the horde of patriots will pass them by tonight.
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Message 751 of 960 (884716)
03-04-2021 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 746 by marc9000
03-04-2021 8:27 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
What do you think of the idea of studies and discussion to determine essential versus non-essential uses of fossil fuels?
Where have you been the last 50 years? That discussion has already taken place and is on-going. Do you live in a cave?
Essential is not good enough. The decision, since you were not paying attention, is to replace carbon sources as soon as possible, wherever possible, whenever possible.
You and your burn-it-down compatriots want to stop that movement for the sake of your fattened wallets.
Why aren't you sputtering with rage and calling Tangle every vulgar name you can think of?
Because he's one of the good guys.
Besides he's English and speaks a totally different language and probably knows a whole slew of vulgar names that I don't know.
Republican politics didn't bring green, untested, solar and wind power to Texas in recent years, to the extent that it failed them last month.
Texas ... untested ... failed.
The big lie.
Repeat it often enough even YOU will start to believe it.
You are a liar. A poisoner of the truth. You are a disinformation shill here to destroy honest productive discussion and shield your greedy evil right from reality.
Here's a repeat of a link I showed earlier;
What? A conservative radical capitalist yellow-rag site? Really?
We bring science and you bring elitist misinformation?
I've asked since the beginning of this thread, many times, several global warming alarmists; What specifically do you want to be done about it? I never get an answer.
Again the big lie.
We have been offering program suggestions and mitigation strategies for more than 100 years. Republicans, naysayers, the greedy elite, you all kept saying, "No. We're not going to do that. Kick that can down the road. My beer is cold. I'm good."
I'm not saying all is completely lost. We are fucked already and we are taking a considerable number of other species with us. But, maybe, we can make the disruptions come in slower spread-out increments. Let the kids live a little longer.
But, no. Turn your deaf ear and just burn, baby, burn.
First act. Make coal illegal. Yesterday.
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Message 760 of 960 (884730)
03-05-2021 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 757 by dwise1
03-05-2021 6:32 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
how we are supposed to transition from the one situation to the other.
Unfortunately, we've diddledicked for so long and have so far to go the answer is ... suffer. A lot.
Pay it in installments now or in great big chunks next century.
Stop burning carbon. Period.
That is what needs to be done. We know this. The political question is who gets hurt how bad in the process.
I think we already know the answer to that one. The elite and their governments will pay great lip service to the memes but will do nothing of any real consequence until they have control over the alternatives. Much too late by then. Much too late already.
We will do little to nothing to stop either oil or coal and our children will bear the full brunt of the conflagration to come.
But, since you asked...
...if I were emperor, I would close all coal mines immediately and blast their entrances shut. The communities and (now ex-)miners can swing hammers like they did their pickaxes. We have a lot of infrastructure projects well overdue for maintenance and upgrade. Entire well-paid careers worth. With universal healthcare.
As for the mine owner’s? Gee, guess who got $$ hurt? We could always pull a guillotine up to the front door of their high rise office if it would help.
Ok maybe not. But you lost your coal mine so go flip burgers or sell used cars or something. And don't forget your universal healthcare card.
As for the customer, the coal burning generator. Well, no coal. Go buy an alternative or file for chapter 7.
And then on to killing oil as quickly as I can with my Imperial Powers. Tax the hell out of oil and give huge subsidies to alternatives.
There are dozens of mitigation strategies we need to start yesterday.
Just an overview of the efforts called for: Climate Change: Policy and Mitigation Factsheet | Center for Sustainable Systems
But it really isn't going to mitigate much of anything. The major fatal damage has been done and runaway greenhouse climate, think a good Venus equivalent in a few thousand years, is the legacy we leave our children.
The mitigation is really just a way to maybe eek out a few extra centuries of less suffering before we go extinct.
Of course we could all just follow Elon out to Mars.

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Message 762 of 960 (884756)
03-06-2021 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 761 by dwise1
03-05-2021 11:57 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
However late we finally respond and regardless of how much damage we're taking from our too-late actions, we do still need to try to keep everything working as much as possible while we switch over to sanity.
Absolutely agree.
We must always keep things working or the beer will get warm.
Mitigation efforts at the now draconian levels required will leave human hurt openly visible for all to see in economic dislocations and major price shocks, recession, depression requiring massive government stimulus schemes to forestall the riots.
Lord knows we can't have that. Not yet. It's too soon. There is still plenty of carbon yet to burn to soften that impact. Kick the can down the road. Let the kids handle it.

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Message 770 of 960 (884783)
03-07-2021 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 763 by marc9000
03-07-2021 2:41 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Then you should have no trouble providing me with links to examples of this discussion.
You are a helpless twit, aren't you.
... could be good enough to avoid another internal war.
At what cost? The reduction of our children's suffering by 500 years? 1000 years? 5000 years?
Stop me when I get to where you think it's acceptable.
So it's politics, not an effort to find out what the truth is?
But the bullshit you were selling had nothing to do with any truth or facts or evidence or ...
I'll elaborate more with your helpers in the coming messages.
Have at it, Tiger.
Yes really, because all that was, was a list of copies of past, failed gloom and doom predictions blah blah blah
You know we can still find scientific predictions that were in error with something. So science isn't perfect.
But with the strength of this science ...
and for god sake boy don't ask for specific studies. It's all out there on the net and strung all throughout this and other threads on this very forum out the kazoo so consider it all submitted.
... on this topic at this time if you want to dispute the present consensus then you are going to have to present a whole lot more and better science than some old wrong papers.
You're losing.
It's misinformation to show copies of past news columns?
When manipulated by a good shill? Of course.
We aren't Trump people. We can see past the flames.

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Message 776 of 960 (884815)
03-08-2021 8:53 PM
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03-08-2021 8:41 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
10 years ago, if the "climate change" term had even been invented yet, it was still in its infancy. The main battle cry of Democrats / atheists was GLOBAL WARMING.
That's all she wrote, Folks.
This guy knows nothing of the issue. He's a political religious hack.
Truth, Mom, Apple Pie, reality mean nothing to him.
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Message 778 of 960 (884827)
03-09-2021 2:26 PM


More
The more we study these situations the more damage we uncover.
Anthropomorphic warming is causing ocean levels to rise. We know that.
But there is also the human caused buildup of structures on ocean coasts and on massive resource-rich river deltas ... which is causing those areas to sink.
Net effect is sea level rise in certain areas will be multiple times our most gloomy projections. Not to fret though. This affects just 58% of the planet's costal areas ... where most of humanity lives.
Sea-Level Rise Affects Coastal Areas 4 Times Faster Than We Thought. Here's Why : ScienceAlert
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Message 780 of 960 (884834)
03-10-2021 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 779 by Phat
03-09-2021 11:11 PM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
Good god! They are the same! The same predictions.
And since your god saw it first and actually wrote it down thousands of years ago!?
This IS the holy apocalypse. And I'm on the wrong team!
No, that's the weed. Never mind.
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