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Tangle
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Message 45 of 534 (884851)
03-10-2021 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 2:44 PM


Evidence please. let's see it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 47 of 534 (884868)
03-11-2021 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 8:30 PM


PnC writes:

My prediction is that you won't accept the truth.

Shock news, vaccines have side effects! About 10% of people get an adverse reaction to a vaccine. I'd like you to defend this statement of yours please

quote:
Its a known fact that some people will have a severe reaction to the vaccines including lifelong disability and death...

It should be easy. Just in my country over 20 million people have been vaccinated. Please find me death and long-term disability rates.

Bear in mind that almost 130,000 people here have already died from COVID here and considerably more are suffering long-term problems.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 74 of 534 (885994)
05-01-2021 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Percy
05-01-2021 9:19 AM


Re: Where We Stand Now
The Indian death rate is actually far higher than official stats, most say at least twice or three times that. Crematoriums are jammed and are building pyres in car parks, public parks and on roads. Families are beginning to take care of their own dead. It's pretty grim.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 107 of 534 (887576)
08-10-2021 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by riVeRraT
08-10-2021 2:41 PM


riverrat writes:

90% protection of what?

Cats

Before 2019 it was widely known that vaccines that don't kill the virus can make it mutate into stronger variants. Since vaccinated people can still carry and transmit the virus, I would say this is most likely true. So what does the vaccine actually solve? In the long run more people may die.

I think it widely known that bleach kills the virus. Drink plenty.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 162 of 534 (889432)
11-26-2021 12:43 PM


Oh Crap...
.... here we go again

Summary

The EU is calling on member states to halt travel to and from nations where the new highly-mutated Covid variant has been found

Health Secretary Sajid Javid says there is "huge international concern" over the variant first found in southern Africa - but there are no UK cases

Belgium has identified one case of the new variant within its borders, the person arrived from Egypt earlier this month

The UK has imposed travel restrictions on six African countries over concerns that vaccines may be less effective against the variant

Countries including Germany, Italy, Israel, Japan, Kenya and Singapore have also restricted travel

A top UK health official calls it "the most significant variant" to date, while an Oxford scientist tells the BBC: "It is bad news but it's not doomsday"

The World Health Organization cautions against travel bans but is holding a special meeting to discuss the variant


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 164 of 534 (889444)
11-27-2021 11:56 AM
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11-27-2021 9:49 AM


Re: Oh Crap...
If this new variant gets round the vaccines, we're almost starting again from scratch. Informed speculation is that the current vaccines should prevent serious illness but everyone's guessing at the moment.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 170 of 534 (889457)
11-28-2021 4:57 AM


Viral Trivia
Omicron is an anagram of moronic.

The next in turn Greek letter for the naming of a new variant was Xi, but as that's the name of the Chairman of the Chinese Party, Xi Jinping, it was skipped.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 176 of 534 (889952)
12-17-2021 6:19 PM


In the next week the UK is going to be awash with virus. Omicron is rampant. Here we go again.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 181 of 534 (889976)
12-19-2021 4:19 AM


Looks like Europe is heading for lockdown.

Netherlands already have, France and Germany closing borders with UK. London has declared a state of emergency. Infection rates are doubling every two days here though hospitalisations are still low.

It's politically impossible to lockdown the UK before Christmas but afterwards if hospitalisations start to become everwhelmed it's very likely.

There were early hopes that omicron might be less harmful than earlier variants but that doesn't seem to be the case. It's only the vaccinations that are saving us at the moment.

But people are getting ill in large numbers all at once so our health services and businesses have an ever reducing number of staff.

Keep safe folks, get your boosters.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 186 of 534 (889991)
12-19-2021 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Percy
12-19-2021 3:12 PM


Depends how you count.

With the vaccines and new antivirals there's be fewer direct deaths from COVID than previous waves.

Our concern here is that because of omicron's much higher infection rate - something like x5 - our hospitals will be overcome with cases and a high percentage of medics and nurse will be ill and not working.

People will die that needn't from all the everyday causes.

It's not only deaths though, long covid is a nightmare too.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 191 of 534 (890058)
12-23-2021 11:38 AM


There's good news an bad news about this Omigod virus. Our boffins have found that it's between 30 and 70% less harmful (less likely to result in hospitalisation) than Delta but between 4 and 10 times more infectious.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 217 of 534 (890730)
01-10-2022 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 10:01 AM


Pork writes:

Ive already had covid and was fine... Now i have natural immunity...

You probably still have some immunity yes. However you can be re-infected.

I actually know one of your thinkalikes, an antivaxer who caught it a year ago and had mild flu symptoms. She caught it again last week, Delta. This time she's quite ill, but not hospitalised. Yet.

Of course no one cares about long COVID but it can be very unpleasant. My daughter lost her sense of smell by catching it way back pre-vaccines. 20 months later she's still got no sense of smell and taste. She's also got what in now described as COVID finger.

Good luck, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Experimental injection not required

Thank you for participating as the control sample.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 218 of 534 (890735)
01-10-2022 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 9:52 AM


Porkie writes:

I am by not taking a dangerous experimental injection that has killed and disabled so many people

It's surprising how many of you anti-vaxers suddenly lose their fear of taking 'experimental' injections once they turn up in ICU. They tend to be very happy to fill their bodies with everything and anything if it helps them breathe again.

Does your rejection of COVID vaccinations also include rejection of COVID treatments?

There was a nurse on the radio the other day explaining how angry-making it was to be asked by a patient very ill with COVID "I'll have the vaccination now". A regular occurrence apparently.
Too late I'm afraid.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 224 of 534 (890766)
01-10-2022 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by dwise1
01-10-2022 2:03 PM


It's chilblains - fingers and toes.

Study reveals why some people get Covid toe condition


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 230 of 534 (890803)
01-10-2022 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:40 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
PokiePie writes:

So why should we be discriminated against? We have done nothing wrong.

You have opted out of society so what do you expect? You're not being forced to be vaccinated, but not being has consequences which you have chosen.

Have you also opted out of COVID treatment if you need it?

Especially seeing that i have natural immunity from covid

You do not have immunity from COVID you have a declining immunity from serious COVID harm or death. You can and probably will catch it again and you may get seriously ill. Will you accept treatment?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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