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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
vimesey
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Message 6 of 536 (883169)
11-09-2020 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Tangle
11-09-2020 9:49 AM


Health service workers and at risk people get the first batch.

I have to say, I hope so. I don’t want to be rude about the staff at the NHS, and they generally do a fantastic job, but the sooner they get back to fully treating the myriad of other life threatening and life altering diseases and conditions, which seem to have been forgotten in all this, the better.

I know of three people who are in remission from cancer. All three have had their annual check-ups cancelled and not re-scheduled. One of them had this happen 5 months ago. Last month, after starting to feel ill, he managed to persuade them to review his case. He has developed serious secondary cancers, which could have been picked up much sooner, if they hadn’t cancelled his check-up. This is a horrible pandemic - but it is not the only horrible and fatal disease out there.


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Message 48 of 536 (884869)
03-11-2021 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 8:30 PM


And here is an extract from the CDC's own website:

Over 92 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 8, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,637 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

Here is the link: COVID-19 and Your Health

Read the penultimate sentence of the quotation. Now, how do you square that with your claim that the data from CDC show 5.5%, or 1,095 deaths ?

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Message 142 of 536 (888286)
09-11-2021 3:56 AM
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09-10-2021 9:27 AM


It is a very real possibility that vaccines will make it worse.

Just like the flu vaccines have made things worse for the past 75 years or so. Oh, wait.....


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vimesey
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Message 197 of 536 (890212)
12-29-2021 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by jar
12-29-2021 2:08 PM


Re: niece dances with Covid
With omicron's transmissibility, this thing is gonna go round massively, no matter what we do. The South African data suggests the cases drop after a certain point, however. The fact that it's more transmissible, but much less deadly, is encouraging.

My best wishes for your niece and for everyone else here and their families - but hopefully a milder and more transmissible form of the disease will help build up herd immunity.

Fingers crossed for an easier future.

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Message 379 of 536 (893134)
03-28-2022 9:22 AM
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03-28-2022 8:24 AM


Re: Graph of Contagiousness vs. Antibody Effective for the Variants
It's worth putting the graph in the context of the article's concluding two paragraphs:

Taking all this together, we expect SARS-CoV-2 will continue to cause new epidemics, but they will increasingly be driven by the ability to skirt around the immune system. In this sense, the future may look something like the seasonal flu, where new variants cause waves of cases each year. If this happens, which we expect it will, vaccines may need to be updated regularly similar to the flu vaccines unless we develop broader variant-proof vaccines.

And of course, how much all this matters for public health depends on how sick the virus makes us. That is the hardest prediction to make, because evolution selects for viruses that spread well, and whether that makes disease severity go up or down is mostly a matter of luck. But we do know that immunity reduces disease severity even when it doesn’t fully block infections and spread, and immunity gained from vaccination and prior infections has helped blunt the impact of the Omicron wave in many countries. Updated or improved vaccines and other measures that slow transmission remain our best strategies for handling an uncertain evolutionary future.

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and loads of other diseases. The good news is that it's fatality is rapidly decreasing, such that its fatality is now less than the flu (albeit it's a lot more contagious). The following graph is from the Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/...a317-11ec-bf5a-bd778a859a9f-mobile.png
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Message 382 of 536 (893207)
04-01-2022 6:07 AM
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04-01-2022 4:36 AM


Re: Lethality dependent on location
It's a death rate per capita of population, rather than per person who got infected, so I'd guess that one contributing factor was a high rate of transmission of the virus, due to very large numbers of people being in close proximity in the city of New York (subway trains etc). (I'm going on very vague recollection here, but I understand New York is a pretty densely populated city ??)

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Message 390 of 536 (893290)
04-03-2022 2:55 AM
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04-01-2022 11:17 AM


Re: Lethality dependent on location
Percy's right - wasn't being sarcastic - just throwing out thoughts

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Message 468 of 536 (894591)
05-23-2022 4:05 AM
Reply to: Message 466 by Tangle
05-22-2022 10:06 AM


(Thought through how to approach this one, and decided to go for a smile in the end).
Stay positive - but don't stay positive !
(Get well soon mate).

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