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Porkncheese
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Message 1 of 12 (884857)
03-10-2021 7:45 PM


The mRNA experimental vaccine from Pfizer killed “about 40 times more (elderly) people than the disease itself would have killed” during a recent five-week vaccination period. Among the younger class, these numbers are compounded to death rates at 260 times what the COVID-19 virus would have claimed in the given time frame.

While the full mathematical analysis may be found in the article itself, the authors demonstrate how among “those vaccinated and above 65, 0.2 percent … died during the three-week period between doses, hence about 200 among 100,000 vaccinated . This is to be compared to the 4.91 dead among 100,000 dying from COVID-19 without vaccination.”

“This scary picture also extends to those below 65,” the researchers continued. During the five-week vaccination process “0.05 percent, meaning 50 among 100,000, died. This is to be compared to the 0.19 per 100,000 dying from COVID-19 (who) are not vaccinated … Hence the death rate of this age group increased by 260 (times) during this five-week period of the vaccination process, as compared to their natural COVID-19 death rate.”

In the past weeks, Israel’s government made headlines when they a “green pass” system, allowing people who have been injected to receive a green code, which then grants them entry into places such as entertainment and leisure facilities.

Despite there being no proof that these experimental vaccines actually prevent transmission of the virus, Israel’s minister for health, Yuli Edelstein, said upon the release of the vaccine “passport” that “(g)etting vaccinated is a moral duty. It is part of our mutual responsibility.” He went further, declaring, “Whoever does not get vaccinated will be left behind.”

The green pass needs renewing every six months, and despite holding one, an individual must still abide by masking and physical distancing rules. The Jerusalem Post also reported that legislation is being considered to grant employers the right to refuse unvaccinated people entry into the workplace.

Such measures prompted Business Insider to describe the country as “waging a war on the unvaccinated.” Meanwhile, Dr. Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden, has styled Israel’s vaccination response as “extraordinarily good.”

Link to the source - Experimental vaccine death rate for Israel’s elderly 40 times higher than COVID-19 deaths: researchers


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kjsimons
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Message 2 of 12 (884863)
03-10-2021 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 7:45 PM


Lifesitenews.com does not appear to be anywhere close to being an unbiased source of information, in fact it looks to be heavily biased. Do you have any such information from reputable science sources that agree with your link?

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Message 3 of 12 (884875)
03-11-2021 8:08 AM
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03-10-2021 7:45 PM


This scary picture also extends to those below 65,” the researchers continued. During the five-week vaccination process “0.05 percent, meaning 50 among 100,000, died. This is to be compared to the 0.19 per 100,000 dying from COVID-19 (who) are not vaccinated … Hence the death rate of this age group increased by 260 (times) during this five-week period of the vaccination process, as compared to their natural COVID-19 death rate.

Do you notice what your excerpt carefully neglected to say - it neglected to say what the 50 people died from. So, let's do a bit of maths: 0.05 per cent over 5 weeks, means we can reasonably multiply that by 10 (5 weeks times 10 is close enough to a year) to get close to an annual figure of 0.5% in the under 65s. Using the UK as a reasonable comparable, the annual death rate in 2018 among the under 65s added up to around 0.41%. Near enough the same as the figures you quote. ( Death rate in the UK 2018 by age | Statista )

So what your lying source is pretending to do, is use the usual annual death rate amongst human beings, and attribute it in its entirety to vaccines. Same trick as you're trying to pull in the other thread.

You need to find some rubes who can't do some basic research and some basic maths.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Percy
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Message 4 of 12 (884881)
03-11-2021 12:29 PM
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03-10-2021 7:45 PM


Just curious - do you really believe what you posted? None of which were your own words?

If you believe it then I have another question. Given the alarm and extreme measures taken in the face of covid-19 mortality rates, how do you account for the complete world-wide lack of alarm about these even higher mortality rates you claim are being caused by the vaccines?

--Percy


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Message 5 of 12 (884891)
03-11-2021 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 7:45 PM


You really are ill-informed on a lot of subjects.

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AZPaul3
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Message 6 of 12 (884897)
03-12-2021 9:16 AM


Well I'll be damned. Porky was right. The vaccine IS killing people.

Several Countries Just Suspended AstraZeneca Vaccine, But No Health Issues Confirmed

Well, not the vaccine but the delivery mechanism.

Seems whenever you poke the human body with a needle you risk a thromboembolic event. A blood clot. And that's what is apparently happening with vaccine jabs.

It looked like a real issue with one batch of vaccine until you aggregate the numbers.

quote:
The information available so far indicates that the number of thromboembolic events in vaccinated people is no higher than that seen in the general population. As of 9 March 2021, 22 cases of thromboembolic events had been reported among the 3 million people vaccinated with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in the European Economic Area.

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca: PRAC preliminary view suggests no specific issue with batch used in Austria - European Medicines Agency

The link at the top carries another bit of useful data.

quote:
European Union countries are eager to speed up vaccine drives after a slow start left the bloc behind the United States, Israel and Britain - leaders in the race to immunize.

So Israel continues its vaccine program even in the midst of the vaccine killing so many more people over the covid-19 mortality rate as Porky tried to tell us.

Pork, Why the lies? Why the misinformation? Why spread harmful BS on this issue?

Do you intend to spread these falsehoods in order to instill worry, anguish and doubt so that people will not vaccinate and more will die?

Is that what you want? You're trying to kill as many people as possible?

Same with your stand on climate change. Are you deliberately lying so people will not see the science, will do nothing to mitigate thus killing more people quicker?

You're really not a christian are you.

In other threads there is talk about demons. Stupid talk straight out of the 1400s.

I gotta admit that you come real close to being a bloody, lying, despicably evil demon. Far and away more evil than most Christianity which is way big evil on its own.

Why all the obvious lies?

Maybe you should change your avatar to Lucifer except that compared to your god Lucy is the calmer more likable demon. Still, the crimson rosella does not fit you.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Percy
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Message 7 of 12 (884899)
03-12-2021 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 7:45 PM


Since you seem to accept Trump's views on things, are you aware Trump took the vaccine before leaving office? Did you know Trump wants credit for the vaccine?

--Percy


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dwise1
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Message 8 of 12 (884903)
03-12-2021 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 7:45 PM


You're just promoting Russia's latest dezinformatsiya campaign. Looks like they've found yet another rube to serve them. They must have been worried after losing their leading rube, Trump, and with the news of losing their second leading rube, Senator Ron Johnson.

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dwise1
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Message 9 of 12 (884904)
03-12-2021 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by AZPaul3
03-12-2021 9:16 AM


I'm surprised that he's not also involved in calling for banning an extremely dangerous substance, dihydrogen monoxide (AKA "dihydrogen oxide", "DHMO"), which according to one petition kills thousands of people each year.

Excerpt from another petition:

quote:
Dihydrogen monoxide:
  • is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
  • contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
  • may cause severe burns.
  • contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
  • accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
  • may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
  • has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
  • as an industrial solvent and coolant.
  • in nuclear power plants.
  • in the production of styrofoam.
  • as a fire retardant.
  • in many forms of cruel animal research.
  • in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
  • as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

Porky needs to stop spreading Russian disinformation and devote his efforts to something far more important.

More information can be found on the Wikipedia page for DHMO.


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AZPaul3
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Message 10 of 12 (884908)
03-12-2021 3:36 PM
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03-12-2021 3:16 PM


You know, if a problem isn't right up in our face it doesn't exist. I live in an area where DHMO is no longer an issue. We imported hundreds of snipe that relieved the issue here.

It would be a great worthy effort for our Pork friend to get your warning out to others as his Christian duty then he can even follow-up with a solution. He's republican. He could go into the snipe hunting business. I know some congressmen he could talk to.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 11 of 12 (884913)
03-12-2021 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 7:45 PM


Your statement was reviewed by Healthfeedback.org nd they state:

The forum post’s claim that the vaccine led to more COVID-19 deaths than the disease itself would have caused isn’t supported by the data that it used. In its analysis of COVID-19 death rates in vaccinated people, it consistently failed to account for the fact that the two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are necessary for its full efficacy. It also didn’t account for the fact that vaccination doesn’t lead to instant protection and developing vaccine-induced immunity can take up to several weeks. Instead the post wrongly assumed that any COVID-19 death that occurred after a person was vaccinated must be due to the vaccine.

By failing to stratify its analysis accordingly to account for these caveats, the results of the analysis paint an inaccurate and misleading picture of the vaccine’s efficacy and safety. In fact, the data demonstrate that the vaccine reduces the likelihood of dying from COVID-19.

Furthermore, real-world observations are incompatible with the post’s assertion that the vaccine causes more serious cases of COVID-19: Israel has seen the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations, as well as the number of COVID-19 cases, fall as the number of completed vaccinations rise.


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Message 12 of 12 (885079)
03-21-2021 4:07 PM
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